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thank you but that frank on the 1939 reg is a Francis Derricutt that married a Clara E Parnell , not my family

PatinCyprus that Frank Derricutt mother a Skitt is part of my family
His parents were Thomas Derricutt and Christiana Skitt.
James belonged to Henry Derricutt and Sarah Williams.
Thomas and Henry were brothers

Ah! Looks like it PatinCyprus. Back to the drawing board :-(

DERRICUTT, FRANK SKITT Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 06A Page 772


Perhaps he got the year wrong

Co-incidence? Not seeing a birth to match this man

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Parnell Household (4 People)
177 Perth Road , Barking M.B., Essex, England

Frank Derricutt
DOB 14 May 1898
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Motor Car Instrument Panel Assemble
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Jessie E Parnell
DOB 16 Apr 1873
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duti
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Clara E Derricutt
DOB 07 Sep 1901
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Dut
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Harry Palmer
DOB 09 Dec 1878
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Ship - Plumbers Mate
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4
Ref: RG101/1056I/006/19 Letter Code:
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As you have the birth certificate, have you search the 1939 register using his DOB please?

I have a baby on my tree who has no birth cert but does have a death cert, he was baptised before his death that's how I picked him up as my gt grandparents names came up in hints with his baptism.

My father had a brother born and died before he was born. I know the name and where he slots in (a 35 month gap), I know he died of meningitis but there's no record of him. We believe he either died very quickly after birth and as a kindness called a stillbirth (to save money) or a payment made to grave diggers to put him in a grave about to be used so he was in consecrated ground.

That's a thought, but she went on to have 14 children in 25yrs , and both came from large family, so I think there would have been plenty of help, think I am going to have to take a trip to the archives. or rip my hair out

They both have Williams as MMN on GRO

What about mother not coping with 2 babies and gave one away, given a new name that's why he can't be found.

that's the problem there is no death record anywhere

James was not necessarily alive on 21 June, as the certificate only records that he had been born.
I have known births and deaths recorded at the same time, when a child is sickly at birth.

back on my search for James,
I have the birth certs . Edith Mary was born at 8.30 a.m and James at 8.50 on the
14th of May . There births were registered on the 21st June.so he was alive for 6wks
Any ideas were I might find christening records to see if they might have changed his name or if he lived long enough to be christened

(Oops!, apologies, Edith now added)

Chris :)

No Edith either !

http://www.shropshirebmd.info/index.php

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(above for Births, Deaths. Shame!)

Chris :)


http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/4244804/ART28/derricutt

(relates to Maggie above, and no James on below)


National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)


Edith Derricutt 1898 1901 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Alfred Derricutt 1901 1905 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Beatrice Maggie Derricutt 1904 1907 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Mab. Winifred Derricutt 1905 1910 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Maud Derricutt 1900 1903 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Rose Alice Derricutt 1908 1911 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych
Frank Derricutt 1909 1913 Higher Wych (VP) School Higher Wych

I think you need to see James birth cert to be sure of his parents.
If you have Edith's it should say if she is a twin

could this be james's marriage


James Dorricott
mentioned in the record of Grainger and James Dorricott
Name: James Dorricott
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1924
Registration District: Wellington (Shropshire)
County: Shropshire
Event Place: Wellington (Shropshire), Shropshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Grainger
Volume: 6A
Page: 1746
Line Number: 64

Mike ..............

I also wondered that ......... but, even so, we should still be able to find him either alive or dead.

Unless your theory is correct, and his forename was changed after registration but before baptism so he was no longer James .............. which does happen!

The Registrar is supposed to be informed when that happens so that an amendment can be made, but people rarely do it.

Just wondering if you have seen the 2 birth certs for the "twins"?

As the 1911 census gives 7 children born, none died and they are all accounted for... could Edith and James be cousins , registered on same day perhaps ?

1911

Name:
Edith Mary Derricutt

Age in 1911:
12
Estimated birth year:abt 1899

Relation to Head:
Daughter (Child)

Birth Place:Ellesmere, Shoprshire

Civil Parish:
Agden, Bradley, Chidlow, Wigland, Wyebrough

County/Island:
Shropshire

Street address:
Wigland Cottage, Wigland Nr Malpas, Cheshire

Registration district:
Whitchurch
Henry Derricutt 33
Sarah Emily Derricutt 35
Edith Mary Derricutt 12
Maud Elizabeth Derricutt 11
Alfred Henry Derricutt 9
Beatrice Maggie Derricutt 7
Rose Alice Derricutt 2
Francis Thomas Derricutt 1
Mable Winifred Derricutt 4
George Williams 78 - visitor

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1901- Cottage on Green

Henry Dorncutt 23 - Ash, Shropshire
Sarah E Dorncutt 26 - Frankton, Shropshire
Edith M Dorncutt 2 - Ellesmere, Shropshire
Maud E Dorncutt 1- Wigland, Cheshire

Charlotte Williams 67 - mother -1n-law - Wilshampton, Shropshire