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Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:25

Wondering about these two marriages:

First name(s) Joseph<<<<<<<<<<<
Last name Horrocks<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 22 Sep 1866
Spouse's first name Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's last name Prunty<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Place Kussowlie
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 16
Groom's father's first name John
Groom's father's last name Horrocks
Bride's father's first name Patrick
Bride's father's last name Prunty
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-117
Folio number 319
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Followed by

First name(s) John<<<<<<<<<<<
Last name Murphy<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage year 1879
Marriage date 16 Apr 1879
Spouse's first name Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's last name Horroks<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Place Meerut
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 27
Bride's age 26
Groom's father's first name Andrew
Groom's father's last name Murphy
Bride's father's first name -
Bride's father's last name -
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-168
Folio number 159
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Both bride and groom are widowed. John Murphy is 'Survey dept'. They married by licence. Her abode was Meerut, his was NYNEE TAL.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jul 2015 20:31

Allens Indian Mail
Groom Surname Horrocks
Groom First names Joseph
Bride Surname Prenty
Bride First names Elizabeth
Place Kussowlie
Year 1866
Month September
Day 22
Exact Entry Horrocks - Prenty. - At the Roman Catholic Chapel, Kussowlie, Sept. 22, Armourer sergt. Joseph Horrocks, 2nd Drag. Gds., to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the late P. Prenty, 17th Royal Fusiliers.
Edition Year 1866
Edition Month 7th November


All India Deaths 1879
Surname Horrocks
First names Joseph
Place Calcutta
Year 1879
Month February
Day 21
Exact Entry Horrocks---Feb. 21, at the General Hospital, Calcutta, Joseph Horrocks, late armourer of Bombay Ordnance Department.
Edition Year 1879
Edition date 5 May


(from below, worth a look India!)

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

Chris :)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:35

That expansion of the marriage details that Chris has just given to the Horrocks-Prunty/Prenty marriage I posted would tie in with Joseph George Horrocks being a military birth as Gritty posted.

I think that once widowed Elizabeth married John Murphy, she presumably moved to Nynee Tal, and Joseph George used the surname of his stepfather, John Murphy, or at least combined the two, his birth father and his stepfather's.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:39

Sister for Joseph George?

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Horrocks
Baptism year 1872
Birth year 1872
Place Mhow
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Horrocks
Baptism date 21 Apr 1872
Birth date 07 Apr 1872
Archive reference N-1-140
Folio 313
Page -

Image says father was an armourer , which ties in with what Chris has posted about Joseph being in the Bombay Ordinance Dept.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:44

OK, maybe they didn't move straight away....

half sister for Joseph George?

First name(s) Muriel Blanche
Last name Murphy
Baptism year 1880
Birth year 1880
Place Meerut
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Murphy
Baptism date 20 Feb 1880
Birth date 17 Jan 1880
Archive reference N-1-171
Folio 111
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms

Father a surveyor

but by 1885....

First name(s) Robert Stanley
Last name Murphy
Baptism year 1885
Birth year 1885
Place Naini Tal
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Murphy
Baptism date 29 Apr 1886
Birth date 09 Mar 1885
Archive reference N-1-196
Folio 101
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

Father in Survey department

First name(s) Leonard Francis Mccarthy
Last name Murphy
Baptism year 1887
Birth year 1887
Place Naini Tal
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Murphy
Baptism date 25 Sep 1887
Birth date 09 Sep 1887
Archive reference N-1-201
Folio 88
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms

Father in Survey dept

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:49

Another half sister for Joseph George, born before the move to Nynee Tal.

First name(s) Gertrude Ethel Mary
Last name Murphy
Baptism year 1882
Birth year 1882
Place Rangoon
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Murphy
Baptism date 30 Apr 1882
Birth date 22 Apr 1882
Archive reference N-1-263
Folio 243
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms

Father - Survey Dept.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:52


Did brothers Robert and Leonard marry a pair of sisters?

Name: Leonard Francis Mccarthy Murphy
Birth Date: 1888
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Sybil Geneneva Chambers
Spouse's Birth Date: 1891
Spouse's Age: 19
Event Date: 24 Feb 1910
Event Place: Jhansi, Bengal, India
Father's Name: John Murphy
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward William Chambers
Spouse's Mother's Name: Edith Ruth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75042-7 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number:

Leonard was a surveor P W D

First name(s) Robert Stanly
Last name Murphy
Marriage year 1913
Marriage date 7 Apr 1913
Spouse's first name Ethel Maud
Spouse's last name Chambers
Place Lucknow
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 27
Bride's age 23
Groom's father's first name John
Groom's father's last name Murphy
Bride's father's first name Edmond William
Bride's father's last name Chambers
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-389
Folio number 22
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces

Robert was in the Educational Dept.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 20:59

Marriage for half sister Muriel:

First name(s) Muriel Blanche
Last name Murphy
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date 16 Apr 1901
Spouse's first name John Joseph
Spouse's last name Platel
Place Calcutta, Middleton Row
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 31
Bride's age 21
Groom's father's first name Joseph L
Groom's father's last name Platel
Bride's father's first name John
Bride's father's last name Murphy
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-291
Folio number 337
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Her husband was a District Judge.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 21:03

Sadly Joseph George's sister Mary Ann, born shortly after their father's death, died as an infant:

First name(s) Mary Anne
Last name Horrocks
Birth year 1873
Death date 21 Mar 1874
Death year 1874
Age 1Y 11M 15D
Burial date 21 Mar 1874
Place Dehra Dun
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-147
Folio -
Page 120
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials.

She is described as the daur of Joseph Horrocks Ordinance dept (Mhow), and she died of Tabes Mesenterica.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 22:16

This might be a baptism for a brother of Elizabrth. Father Patrick is serving with the 7th Fusiliers rather than the 17th, according to the image:

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Pranty
Baptism year 1859
Birth year 1859
Place -
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Anne
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Patrick
Father's last name Pranty
Baptism date 24 Apr 1859
Birth date 10 Apr 1859
Archive reference N-1-95
Folio 338
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 22:22

Patrick Prunty/Prenty/Prantys death? (father of Elizabeth, grandfather of Joseph George Horrocks)

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Prunty
Birth year 1826
Death date 30 Apr 1863
Death year 1863
Age 37
Burial date 30 Apr 1863
Place Kussowlie
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-104
Folio -
Page 248
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials

Privat H m ? ? Fusiliers . Cause of death asthma.


EDIT: widow Ann remarried sharpish:

First name(s) Ann
Last name Prunty
Marriage year 1863
Marriage date 25 Sep 1863
Spouse's first name Denis
Spouse's last name Mccarthy
Place Ferozepore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 35
Bride's age 34
Groom's father's first name Florence
Groom's father's last name McCarthy
Bride's father's first name George
Bride's father's last name Taijh
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-105
Folio number 278
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Both bride and groom were widowed. Ann's new husband was a pte in HM 7th R F____s, like her previous one.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 22:33

????

I think Patrick may have had had a wife previous to Ann, mother of Thomas, and that this is also his child, and a sister to Elizabeth. If so, Patrick served in the 52nd Infantry before the Fusiliers.:

First name(s) Sarah Anne
Last name Prunty
Baptism year 1854
Birth year 1854
Place Umballa
Presidency -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Patrick
Father's last name Prunty
Baptism date 9 Feb 1854
Birth date 02 Feb 1854
Archive reference N-1-RC
Folio 3
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Roman Catholic returns of baptisms, marriages and burials, 1835-1856

also:
First name(s) SARAH A
Last name PRUNTY
Year range 1854
Place UMBALLA
Country INDIA
Regiment 52nd Foot
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 1231
Page 37
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records


Death of Mary

First name(s) Mary
Last name Printy
Birth year 1834
Death date 13 Aug 1856
Death year 1856
Age 22
Burial date 15 Aug 1856
Place Murree
Presidency -
Archive Reference N-1-RC
Folio -
Page 143
Catalogue Description Roman Catholic returns of baptisms, marriages and burials, 1835-1856, :
Record set British India Office deaths & burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Woman of the 52nd light infantry. Died of cholera

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 22:45

The Patrick who served with the 52nd:

The Indian Mutiny Medal Roll (British Forces) 1857-1859.

Given Names(s) Patrick
Surname Prunty
Rank Private
Regiment or Ship 52nd Foot (Oxfordshire Light Infantry)


Indian Mutiny Medal Roll 1857-1859

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Prunty
Service number 2198
Rank Private
Unit or regiment 52nd Foot (Oxfordshire Light Infantry)
Clasp Delhi
Notes Wounded, Delhi, 14 September 1857
Record set Indian Mutiny Medal Roll 1857-1859
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 22:58

This is the man who was Elizabeth's father, but is he the same man who served in the 52nd?? The service number is peculiar to the regiment, so that's no help.

1861 Worldwide Army Index

First name Patrick
Last name Prunty
Service number 2282
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment 1st Btn 7th Foot (Royal Fusiliers)
Regiment stationed at Peshawur East Indies
Year 1861
National Archives reference WO12 / 2524
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 4 Jul 2015 23:11

Edit: There is also a Patrick Prunty in the survey dept who I believe might be a son of Patrick, and a brother or half brother to Elizabeth.

Death of first wife?

All India Deaths 1887

Surname Prunty
First name(s) Mary Teresa
Place Ahmedabad
Year 1886
Month November
Day 29
Full Entry Prunty - Nov. 29, at Ahmedabad, of cholera, Mary Teresa, beloved wife of Patrick, Survey of India, deeply regretted.
Edition Year 1887
Edition Date 03-Jan

Next Marriage:

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Prunty
Marriage year 1887
Marriage date 8 Oct 1887
Spouse's first name Annie
Spouse's last name Chapman
Place Simla St Joseph
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 32
Groom's father's first name P<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's father's last name Prunty<<<<<<<
Bride's father's first name Charles
Bride's father's last name Chapman
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-202
Folio number 196
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Groom is widowed, and a surveyor.

Death of Annie:

Deaths 1889

Surname Prunty Given name(s) Annie

Year 1889
month Jul
day 22
Register Entry Jul 22nd at Simla Annie the wife of Patrick Prunty
Year 1889
Date 29 Jul

Her death woefully mistranscribed on FMP:

First name(s) Annie
Last name Peanty
Birth year 1859
Death date 22 Jul 1889
Death year 1889
Age 30
Burial date 23 Jul 1889
Place Simla
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-209A
Folio -
Page 534
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office deaths & burials

Described as wife of P F 'Peanty' survy dept. Died of Puerperal fever.

Third marriage?

First name(s) Patrick Fitzroy
Last name Prunty
Marriage year 1890
Marriage date 4 Nov 1890
Spouse's first name Agnes Cecilia
Spouse's last name Shanahan
Place Deesa
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 35
Bride's age 24
Groom's father's first name Patrick<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's father's last name -
Bride's father's first name Michael
Bride's father's last name -
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-64
Folio number 647
Entry number -
Record set British India Office marriages

Again, groom is widowed, and occupation 'Survey of India'. One wonders, did possible sister Elizabeth meet her second husband John Murphy through Patrick, if they both worked as surveyors?

Gerry

Gerry Report 5 Jul 2015 00:04

Blimey Kucinta. You have been a very busy bee. There is so much additional unknown info you have found my friend is going to be over the moon.

The most important thing you, Chris and Gritty (thank you both) found was an explanation for the Horrocks-Murphy surname which was, and is, used in subsequent generations.

I cannot thank you enough for your help Kucinta

Gerry :-D

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Jul 2015 12:31

Ii's the usual GR teamwork Gerry.

That url that Chris gave also looks very useful for doing further research on individuals. :-D

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Jul 2015 17:12

Joseph Horrocks in the 1861 Army list:

First name Joseph
Last name Horrocks
Service number 667
Rank Armourer Sergeant
Unit or Regiment 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens)
Regiment stationed at Lucknow East Indies
Year 1861
National Archives reference WO12 / 173
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Tallies with the extra info on the Horrocks/Prenty/Prunty marriage Chris posted