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I do believe that at that time it was illegal for a man to marry his dead wife's sister so it will be interesting so see what that 2nd marriage cert states! ;-)

I think it only became a legal possibility around 1907 ??

Dea x

I am definitely interested in details from the marriage certificates- I really hope there are a few extra clues to work with. Don't forget to update us :-)

Deborah, I know you're not seeing the connection, but to save me looking later I thought I'd just add this- John Thomas Howard remarried in 1873 (I believe Sarah, nee Pyers, died in 1868). Just to confuse things further, he married another Sarah, and possibly shaved a little off his age as she was younger. John is listed as a widower living at Princes Gardens (although looking at the census this maybe Princes Court).

Name: John Thomas Howard
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Age: 30
Spouse: Sarah Shaw
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1873
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Thomas Howard (Bricklayer)
Spouse Father: John Shaw
Register Type: Parish Register

Just found a Workhouse Entry for Homerton Workhouse, City of London Union Workhouse.

Pyers William F aged 12 Address Holborn Union Workhouse
Pyers John William aged 10 Address Holborn Union Workhouse
Removal Order 7 Oct 1892
Deserted by Father William Francis
William was transferred to Hanwell on 24 Nov 1892
John was transferred to Bow on 8 Oct 1892
Looks like John was transferred from Bow to Hanwell on 8 Dec 1892

Although not what you are looking for thought might be of interest.

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(just to add, William F and Clara Burials on above, not sure if you have!)

Chris :)

edits

(that 1881 posted by Yvonne, a Baptism for Birth below, same address, 24, Wolverley Street, Bethnal Green, Father as William George)


Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
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Puryer William George Bethnal Green 1c 188

(the Daughter below)

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Puryer Sarah Elizabeth Stepney 1c 514

Hi Gritty.....

Marriage certificate for first marriage shows....
William Francis Pyers as father
profession farmer
address 4 Warren or Warner Street or something like?
Witnesses....Mary Ann Hagger and Antonio Gulani

No wiser .... too many William Pyers's ha!!
Don't know where to go now

Debbie

Presume the Marriage Cert is for the Marriage to Mary Ann Hagger can you just confirm who the Witnesses were? Thanks

presumably this is one of the witnesses?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Eyre St Hill, St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England

Antonio Guilani Head Married Male 34 1847 Hair Dresser Austria
Esther Guilani Wife Married Female 24 1857 Hair Dresser Wife London, Middlesex,
Lewis Guilani Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Emma Guilani Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Olive Guilani Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - London, Middlesex, England
Alexandria Wolf Apprentice Single Male 14 1867 Hair Dressers Apprentice London, Middlesex,
Matsari Givanhinoi Visitor Single Male 30 1851 - Italy


William's father went from being a mariner on his birth, to a farmer on his marriage?

(address could relate to below man, in 1882 newspaper article, if he perhaps 'lodged' there at time!)

Edwin Parker, hairdresser, of 4, Warren-street, Tottenham-court-road.

(1881 at 74)

Chris :)

(Marriage Cert. no 2, lol)

Londonbelle....yes this is the marriage certificate to Mary Ann.
Witnesses Mary Ann Hagger and Antonio Gulani.

Gritty....yes I'm confused about the Mariner/farmer thing.
William was a hairdresser too....I think that he worked or owned a shop in Judd Street.
The address given for Mary Ann at time of marriage was also 21 Eyre St Hill.

Debbie

Also think he lied about his age when he got married because it states he was 21 but in Jan 1879 he would of only been 19!!