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Also think he lied about his age when he got married because it states he was 21 but in Jan 1879 he would of only been 19!!

Londonbelle....yes this is the marriage certificate to Mary Ann.
Witnesses Mary Ann Hagger and Antonio Gulani.

Gritty....yes I'm confused about the Mariner/farmer thing.
William was a hairdresser too....I think that he worked or owned a shop in Judd Street.
The address given for Mary Ann at time of marriage was also 21 Eyre St Hill.

Debbie

(address could relate to below man, in 1882 newspaper article, if he perhaps 'lodged' there at time!)

Edwin Parker, hairdresser, of 4, Warren-street, Tottenham-court-road.

(1881 at 74)

Chris :)

(Marriage Cert. no 2, lol)

presumably this is one of the witnesses?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Eyre St Hill, St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England

Antonio Guilani Head Married Male 34 1847 Hair Dresser Austria
Esther Guilani Wife Married Female 24 1857 Hair Dresser Wife London, Middlesex,
Lewis Guilani Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Emma Guilani Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Olive Guilani Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - London, Middlesex, England
Alexandria Wolf Apprentice Single Male 14 1867 Hair Dressers Apprentice London, Middlesex,
Matsari Givanhinoi Visitor Single Male 30 1851 - Italy


William's father went from being a mariner on his birth, to a farmer on his marriage?

Presume the Marriage Cert is for the Marriage to Mary Ann Hagger can you just confirm who the Witnesses were? Thanks

Hi Gritty.....

Marriage certificate for first marriage shows....
William Francis Pyers as father
profession farmer
address 4 Warren or Warner Street or something like?
Witnesses....Mary Ann Hagger and Antonio Gulani

No wiser .... too many William Pyers's ha!!
Don't know where to go now

Debbie

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(just to add, William F and Clara Burials on above, not sure if you have!)

Chris :)

edits

(that 1881 posted by Yvonne, a Baptism for Birth below, same address, 24, Wolverley Street, Bethnal Green, Father as William George)


Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
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Puryer William George Bethnal Green 1c 188

(the Daughter below)

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Puryer Sarah Elizabeth Stepney 1c 514

Just found a Workhouse Entry for Homerton Workhouse, City of London Union Workhouse.

Pyers William F aged 12 Address Holborn Union Workhouse
Pyers John William aged 10 Address Holborn Union Workhouse
Removal Order 7 Oct 1892
Deserted by Father William Francis
William was transferred to Hanwell on 24 Nov 1892
John was transferred to Bow on 8 Oct 1892
Looks like John was transferred from Bow to Hanwell on 8 Dec 1892

Although not what you are looking for thought might be of interest.

I am definitely interested in details from the marriage certificates- I really hope there are a few extra clues to work with. Don't forget to update us :-)

Deborah, I know you're not seeing the connection, but to save me looking later I thought I'd just add this- John Thomas Howard remarried in 1873 (I believe Sarah, nee Pyers, died in 1868). Just to confuse things further, he married another Sarah, and possibly shaved a little off his age as she was younger. John is listed as a widower living at Princes Gardens (although looking at the census this maybe Princes Court).

Name: John Thomas Howard
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Age: 30
Spouse: Sarah Shaw
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1873
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Thomas Howard (Bricklayer)
Spouse Father: John Shaw
Register Type: Parish Register

I do believe that at that time it was illegal for a man to marry his dead wife's sister so it will be interesting so see what that 2nd marriage cert states! ;-)

I think it only became a legal possibility around 1907 ??

Dea x

well I have now sent off for one of the marriage certificates, lets hope it sheds some light for me :-)

I wouldn't worry about the change in address. It was quite common for families to move on a regular basis for the period we are looking at

the mystery continues...the fact that by his baptism 4 weeks after his birth the address has changed to 9 New Inn yard is also confusing

am very grateful for everyone's input <3

I've checked 28 Whitecross Place in the 1861 Census; there appear to be four families living in the property but none seem to be the family that we are looking for.

(below relates to find by Gritty, 'Removal Order', another also for children 1851)

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)
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Pyers Mary Ann Bethnal Grn 2 29


Deaths Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Pyers Robert Bethnal Green 2 27


Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
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Milbourn Charles William Bethnal Gn 1c 601
Pyers Eliza Mary Bethnal Gn 1c 601

(Boston Street, Hackney Road, 1861)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7895540

(Robert from 1851 Census)


Births Sep 1847 (>99%)
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PYERS Abel Bethnal Gr'n 2 39

My G Grandad William Francis Pyers was born on 4th March 1859 this I know for sure.

His parents are clearly stated on his birth certificate as William Francis Pyers (mariner) and Sarah Peryer of 28 Whitecross Place Shoreditch.

I have just started looking again after a 4 year break and I must admit that I have never obtained either of his marriage certificates as I was always told the story of his marriage to two sisters and all the brothers and sisters my Grandad had.

Obviously this is the next thing I need to do.....I never thought of it.
:-D

Gins, it is a hard one to put down!

Deborah, who did William list as his father on his marriages?

What address did he give on his first marriage, and who were the witnesses?


Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b Page: 766
Lizzie Forde
Mary Ann Hagger
William Francis Pyers
John Edmond Walshe

could this be william in 1881 census

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
William Puryer
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name William Puryer
Age (Original) 28
Gender Male
Birth Year 1853
Birthplace Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household Husband Head
Marital Status Married
Occupation Washstand Maker (Cabt Maker)
Address 24 Wolverley St
Event Place Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 413 / 72
Page Number 16
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William Puryer Husband Head M 28 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Sarah Puryer Wife F 26 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Sarah Puryer Daughter F 8 Limehouse, Middlesex, England
William Puryer Son M 1 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Perhaps William Francis and Sarah Elizabeth were brother and sister with a big age gap that's why they were at the same address until she married

Gritty

'a coincidence' I don't think so

It is absolutely a weave of intriguing,,,,,

I can't find evidence of another 'Sarah' that would diminish our hypothesis