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I am also searching for Maud Elizabeth Barmer and Harry Payne. They were married in 1920. I have just sent for the marriage certificate (as a PDF from GRO). These people are my husband's grandparents. He never knew his father or grandparents as his father left his mother when my husband was a very young child.
I would be interested in corresponding with anyone who is related to them.
Catherine
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Maud in 1939:
Hughes Household 108 Mount Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
Clifford Hughes 26 Aug 1907 Male General Labourer & Delta Metal) Heavy Worker Married
Maud E Greaves (Hughes) 07 ?Jan or Jun 1905 Female Viewer Bearer Manufacturer Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Harry Payne 24 Mar 1922 Male Steel Polisher Cycle Worker Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
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So it looks like Maud married again to Mr Greaves.
Possible marriage:
First name(s) ELIZABETH M
Last name HUGHES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1956
Spouse: Harry Greaves
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 9C Page number 564
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Possible birth:
BARMER, ELIZABETH MAUD (Mother's maiden name: WORRALL)
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 631
Looks to be this family:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, St Jamess Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Herbert S Barmer Head Married Male 32 1869 Wolverhampton, General Labourer At Ironworks
Susannah Barmer Wife Married Female 31 1870 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
Herbert S Barmer Son - Male 11 1890 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
Bernard Barmer Son - Male 3 1898 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
William H Barmer Son - Male 1 1900 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
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It's a little odd- the death for the mother is registered 3rd qtr of 1902, yet Elizabeth Maud was registered 1st qtr 1903- possibly a late registration.
Elizabeth Maud is not with her father in 1911
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Saw below...
Chris :)
Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name Merridale Cemetery
Register type Transcript
Burial date 14 Jun 1934
Person age 65y
Burial person forename Herbert Samuel
Burial person surname BARMER
Burial person abode Tithe Road
Register note Parish: Wednesfield. Grave: 13889p. Reg. No.: U4/0866
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
(a Susannah, but wife of a Thomas)
Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name Merridale Cemetery
Register type Transcript
Burial date 30 Jul 1902
Person age 33y
Burial person forename Susannah
Burial person surname BARMER
Burial person abode Hospital
Relationship Wife of
Male relative forename Thomas
Register note Parish: All Saints. Occupation: Iron worker. Grave: 5635. Reg. No.: G4/10444
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That's odd Chris- wondering if wife of Thomas is a mistake. I don't see another Susannah Barmer in the area.
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Possible death for Harry Payne:
First name(s) HARRY
Last name PAYNE
Gender Male
Birth year 1896
Age 36
Death quarter 1
Death year 1932
District Birmingham North
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 461
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Warwickshire Burials Transcription
First name(s) Harry
Last name Payne
Birth year -
Death year 1932
Burial year 1932
Cemetery Witton Cemetery
Place Birmingham, Witton Cemetery
County Warwickshire
Source Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record set Warwickshire Burials
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http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6999714
(above might be Brother, William Henry)
(Looking at Record image on FMP, his occ. was Sheet Metal worker)
(below not same Birthdate!)
1939 Register (Find My Past)
40 Tithe Road , Wednesfield U.D., Staffordshire,
William Barmer 08 Nov 1899 Male Stoker & Assistant Viewer Married
Elsie Barmer 09 Aug 1900 Female Unemployed Married
(address as Burial for Herbert)
Marriages Sep 1923 (>99%)
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Barmer William H Griffiths Wolverhampton 6b 1318
Griffiths Elsie Barmer Wolverhampton 6b 1318
Birth
BARMER, WILLIAM HENRY (WORRALL)
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 625
Chris :)
(a search on google, brings a second Marriage for Herbert 1912)
(His 1888 to Susannah Worral on FMP (image)
Edits
All Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
1950
Maud E Hughes
Erdington
301 NEEDHAM STREET
(with Harry and Ronald Payne)
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Hi - looks like you are on the right track
Like a lot of people back then they often uses a different name then they were born with. So our Maud Elizabeth was in fact born Elizabeth Maud - but called her self Maud -
Maud did marry a Harry Payne before she married Clifford J Hughes ( this has been verified by Clifford grandson - my cousin who I have never met. Interesting to see she may have remarried after cliff's death, I will try and get in touch with him to see if he can confirm
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