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Hi
I'm trying to add a bit more to my Turner family and looking at James joseph's birth certificate I've noticed the address I know it's in the middle of censuses but can some one find the address for me to see who is living there

18 Feb 1857 so it will have to be the 1861 census the address is
14 Marsland Street Chorlton upon Medlock

Thank you

This is the 1861 census for that address:-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Marsland Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Barazone Head Married Male 37 1824 Labourer Sugar Works Salford, Lancashire, England
Margaret Barazone Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Ireland

Kath. x

Is this your family in the 1861 census? :-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
38, Hesketh Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

James Kelly Head Married Male 42 1819 Labourer Scotland
Bridget Kelly Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Ireland
James Kelly Scholar - Male 4 1857 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
... ... Son - Male 0 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Kath. x

Thank you
If I get that one up then go through the surrounding area's I might come up with some thing

Is it a member of your Turner family that you are looking for? There are quite a lot of Turners (119) on the 1861 census in Chorlton upon Medlock.

Kath. x

Oh That could be But if it is the same family it's not mine
it;s a bit hit and miss at the moment I've not got a lot to go off
The birth certificate might not be the right one
This is my Gr Granddad and on his marriage certificate it had James Kelly
On my grandmothers marriage it had her father as James Joseph?? but she married a Joseph?
Going through the birth for James Joseph their was only one so that is what I'm going off

I think I'll have to start again as my James came from Ireland not Scotland

Thank you for helping

I Know I've tried so many times to get it right but I always come to a dead end what with Kelly's and Turners their is a lot

I think I'll have to get some more certificates

Who does your great grandfather (James Kelly) name as his father on his marriage certificate?

Kath. x

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1277767

(is above relating here?)

Chris :)


Sylann Report 19 Aug 2011 22:36

Hello Ann

Sorry I meant 1860 for Thomas Not sure about Kelly Cowen or Kelly Mahan, both dates would fit I think it all boils down to The actual name of my gr grandfather was it just james or james Joseph?

As I've said my grans marriage had fathers name as James joseph BUT she did marry Joseph Turner -Have they got mixed up with the names
THe birth certificate I have for James Joseph has mother as Bridget Hagan?
the H is a littje arkward to decipher The census I'm going off states they had a son Thomas born 1860 this is why I was hoping to find out who his mother was ?
Their is that many Kelly's in Manchester at that time Needle in a hay stack!!!


lancashireAnn Report 19 Aug 2011 13:11

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
>>>Cowan Bridget Chorlton 8c 577 Scan available - click to view
>>>Kelly James Chorlton 8c 577 Scan available - click to view
White Jane Chorlton 8c 577 Scan available - click to view
White Lawrence Chorlton 8c 577 Scan available - click to view


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855

KELLY * James MAHON Bridget Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/14/53

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


(below posted by Andy, for suggestion 1861)

James Kelly Head - Male 42 1829 - Ireland
Bridget Kelly Wife - Female 45 1826 - Ireland
James Kelly Son - Male 12 1859 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Kelly Son - Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
Michael Teeny Boarder - Male 18 1853 - Ireland
Richard O'Donald Boarder - Male 16 1855 - Lancashire, England
Street Hesketh Street
Parish Chorlton upon Medlock
City Manchester
County Lancashire
Registration district Chorlton
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 3987
Folio 32
Page 6

Please can some one get the 1861 census up for me and let me know how they did it so I can get it I'm on ancestry and nothing I put in gets it up
The one just above is the 1871 I want the one Kath put up
Please

Kaths post if from FMP

I don't have Ancestry (but you do) but have a look at this family and check if it's the same family as Kaths census

1861
Bridget Hally
Spouse: James Hally
Other: James
Birth: 1815 - Ireland
Residence: 1861 - Chorlton upon Medlock , Lancashire, England

Yes it's the same family Gins:

James Hally Head 42 1819 Male Ireland
Bridget Hally Wife 46 1815 Female Ireland
James Hally Son 4 1857 Male Manchester Lancashire England
Thomas Hally Son 5/12 1860 Male Manchester Lancashire England

Thank you sorry for delay Genes wouldn't let me on?? Big difference in Ireland and Scotland for James ancestry has him born in Ireland It must be the same family even though their ages haven't altered in 10 years but for the children

Does anyone know what Kingstt stands for please

Sylann..Where is above written...??
I would hazard a guess its Kings/King Street.

(think it's that next to birthplace of James, Ireland Kings ?)

(guessing County?, you will probably know Egb, lol)

Chris :)

I've just checked the 1861 image on FMP (the one Kath posted) and it does say 'Ireland', not Scotland!

AQ, thanks for checking out the Ancestry 'version'

Thank You for your help

Yes census where James was born 1871 Kingstt Ireland, I've google it
the only thing I get is Kings in Ireland whih doesn't help me I'd like to know what county so I can try for a birth but it 1861 he the same age as in 1871 I have heard they reduced their age to get work ??

Sylann...You should be looking at the County Offaly (known in the past as Kings County.)
You would then need to find the Civil Parish and Townland not excluding Ecclesiastical Parish for Roman Catholics.

I still cant find where it says "Kings" next to James name but then I don't have ancestry etc.

Sylann...Eventually found James place of birth as per 1871 Census...its states Kings** not Kingstt....
Bridget was born in the County Galway.

Who did your James (Joseph) marry....?