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firstly Chris Ho, yes that's them that you have found.
Marie Celeste, you probably have solved the query on districts etc.,
Agree with you Hey Jude its finding out when Smethwick under Kings Norton and if that was in Worcestershire or Warwickshire/sstaffordshire etc.,
Andysmum, yes I had the same problem when I started doing my tree line of Rowleys I haven't come across any in Bridgnorth though. I think my Rowleys possibly originated from Stoke on Trent area but still to investigate on that.
thanks to everyone.

I have loads of relatives from King's Norton, Aston and Stourport and the GRO can be anything from Worcestershire to Shropshire...it's not easy!

Jude

Although I can't help with your particular query, I just wanted to say that my great grandmother Jane was also a Rowley, with brothers John and Edward/Edwin. They came from the Bridgnorth area of Shropshire and I have had trouble sorting them out because they use the same names all the time!

There seem to have been Rowleys in every village in Shropshire at the time!!

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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ROWLEY Edward Bickerton Madeley 6a 642

(does above relate to Edwin B)


edits

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Edwin Bickerton
Last name Rowley
School name Smethwick Central Board School
Town Smethwick
County Staffordshire

(Parent, John Edwin, 19, Oxford Road. Was Born 3 Apr. 1881. Last School, Jenkins St, B'ham)

Chris :)


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(above brings below entries)


Marriages Jun 1876

Rowley John Edwin Madeley 6a 1247 mojo
Rowley John Edwin. Madeley 6a 1247 cliffa

Postems for this entry:

06/07/2007 beleive married a martha bickerton born 1853
09/04/2009 Martha Bickerton is my great great grandmother. Believed to have been born 1856
09/06/2010 martha born 1855 dawley shropshire and john was born about 1853 in dawley shropshire?????



Marriages Dec 1910

Rowley Edwin B. King's N. 6c 875 cokesidedoors

Postems for this entry:

07/09/2009 believed to be son of martha bickerton and john edwin rowley.
brother of thomas, william harold florence and martha.
married lilian isabel gough. had a daughter joan isabel born 1911
29/06/2010 addition to previous notes a daughter Kay 1917 and a son Edwin.B 1925
29/06/2010 also daughter kay 1916 and a son edwin.B. 1925

Unfortunately, nothing in on-line newspapers for the 1926 death. No probate either.

I certainly wouldn't be precluding that death - the middle initial matches. The death is registered in Worcester registration district, not necessarily the town of Worcester. That registration district may cover an area not too far from where they were in 1911 (also classed as Worcester then).

As regards electoral rolls, although Ancestry claim to have Midlands electoral rolls they in fact only appear to cover Birmingham. FindMyPast have none for the area. So I'd guess a library local to the area would be the answer (although buying that death cert is probably easier).

Brummie46 - you say you're shocked at 7 children, 6 living - what children did you have for them?

Hi CHris;Ho thanks to what you sent but still baffled where they lived after 1911 census given. But still wondering if electoral would show anything after this year as to actually the address of them.Quite shocked about 7 children and 6 still living will have to research on that one I must have missed something.
Apologies to Margee (2013)
thanks much appreciated

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1329427

(relating above, although suggestion 1915 Death for Martha)

Chris :)

Margee Report 7 Aug 2013 16:16

Is this them?

1911 England Census
about Martha Rowley Name: Martha Rowley
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dawley, Shropshire
Civil Parish: Smethwick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Bertram Road, Smethwick
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 34
Estimated Marriage Year: 1877
Registration District: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration District: Smethwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household Schedule Number: 207
Piece: 17964
Household Members: Name Age
John Edwin Rowley 58
Martha Rowley 55
Harold John Rowley 21

Married 34 years, 7 children, 6 still living.

These are the deaths brummie46 has:

Death
First name(s) JOHN E
Last name ROWLEY
Gender Male
Birth year 1853
Age 73
Death quarter 4
Death year 1926
District WORCESTER
County Worcestershire
Volume 6C Page 108
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Death
First name(s) MARTHA
Last name ROWLEY
Gender Female
Birth year 1855
Age 64
Death quarter 3
Death year 1919
District WORCESTER
County Worcestershire
Volume 6C Page 80

brummie46 - why not give us details of the potential deaths you have found and we can then perhaps investigate them further (e.g. newspapers)

thanks AustinQ yes I did know that Smethwick came under Kings Norton and I think that changed about 1912 approx.
Im still unsure as to where my gr grandparents are buried if it is actually Worcester I suppose I should therefore send for death certificates to see who registered the deaths and any links to that. I was just wondering if the electoral roll would show up anything between 1919 to 1926.
thanks once again

Although the 1911 census gives address as Smethwick the registration district at that time was Kings Norton (Worcestershire). Unfortunately it is confusing as the registration districts within Staffordshire/ Warwickshire/ Worcestershire went through many changes. You may find more information here:

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/kings%20norton.html

thanks to all that provided certain information but was wondering if anyone could check electoral roll to find out where this couple was between 1919 - 1926 perhaps it might throw more light onto the subject.
thank you

I am just saying that prior to 1932, Smethwick was West Bromwich. So if they died in Smethwick it would be West Bromwich. And if you can't find it in West Bromwich, then they didn't die in Smethwick.

So if you are not finding anything in West Bromwich, then they didn't die in Smethwick. So if for example you are finding a death in Worcester, then that means they moved

Jude

Hi Jude, thank you for your info but I definitely think that West Bromwich doesn't come into it. For all through previously searches West Bromwich as never come into connection with Smethwick except for after 1966 when a number of boroughs amalgamated.

Brummie46

Info about Smethwick

SMETHWICK REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Staffordshire.
Created : 1.10.1932 (out of West Bromwich registration district).
Abolished : 1.4.1966 (to become part of Warley East, West Bromwich, and Birmingham registration districts).

So I would be looking at West Bromwich prior to 1932

Jude

Ann of Cardiff, thank you for what you have sent me through regarding the census's but I already have this information. Original request was to find out regarding my gr grandparents (john 1853c and Martha 1855c) as where they were living approx. between 1912 and 1927 for they both passed away between 1919-1926. I believe they were still in Smethwick on 1911 census so would like to know where they were from 1911 until their deaths.
thanking you

???????????

Name John Rowley
Spouse's Name Mary Fletcher
Event Date 24 Mar 1829
Event Place Newport,Shropshire,England

Edwin Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1841

Name Edwin Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Newport, Shropshire, England
Residence Note Water Lane
Gender Male
Age 10
Age (Original) 10
Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
Birthplace Shropshire
Registration District Newport
Book Number 8
Parish Newport
County Shropshire
Page Number 24
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 906/16
Affiliate Record Type Household

John Rowley M 30-34
Mary Rowley F 30-34 Shropshire
Edwin Rowley M 10 Shropshire
Mary Rowley F 9 Shropshire
Elizabeth Rowley F 4 Shropshire
Hannah Rowley F 2 Shropshire

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Name John E Rowley
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1927
Registration District Bridgnorth
County Shropshire
Event Place Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England
Volume 6A
Page 673
Line Number 130

John E Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John E Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Great Dawley, Shropshire, England
Enumeration District 6
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Engine Fitter
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Dawley, Shropshire
Entry Number 8
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/2750/0178

Edwin Rowley Head M 41 Newport, Shropshire
Eliza Rowley Wife F 45 Wellington, Shropshire
John E Rowley Son M 18 Dawley, Shropshire
Theophilus Rowley Son M 15 Dawley, Shropshire
Mary E Rowley Daughter F 13 Dawley, Shropshire
George Rowley Son M 11 Dawley, Shropshire
Sarah Rowley Daughter F 10 Dawley, Shropshire
James F Rowley Son M 9 Dawley, Shropshire
Hannah Rowley Daughter F 7 Dawley, Shropshire
William H Rowley Son M 5 Dawley, Shropshire
John Chilton Assistant M 59 Woodbridge, Suffolk