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Hi I have finally traced a relative Mary Clewyn to Fletcher Street Toxteth 1841 census there are a lot of people living in the house her birth place and that of others at this address is Ireland would I be right to think there is Romany connection as I am not sure if Romanies were included in the census this lady later married Edward Smith lived in Leicestershire and all the children have Romany names I have been tracing this lady for a long time and although I have recent information and children etc This is furthest back I have managed How do I know who at this address are her parents if any?
Thanks

Is the name Mary Clewyn on the birth certificates for the children?

Who did Mary list as her father on her marriage certificate?

Is Mary's place of birth given as Ireland in later census?

Not in later census name is Clewing on eldest child's birth certificate which I have but made with a mark
Do not have marriage certificate
Born in Boston on one census in later married life as Smith but Ireland on others in her married name Smith
Been a problem to trace
On other posts you will see one daughter Augustina Smith the children have a family name third name of Longmead or sometimes spelled Longmate which I believe means long meadow
Thanks

Anyone know much about this area in 1841?

I'm still not seeing how you've connected the Mary Clewyn from the 1841 census to this Mary?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barbers Yard, 6, Belgrave Gate, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Edward Smith Head Married Male 39 1812 Tailor Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
Mary Smith Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Boston, Lincolnshire,
Vandiliem Smith Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar Northamptonshire,
Georgiana E C Smith Daughter - Female 2 1849 Scholar Oakham, Rutland, England
Frederic A L Smith Son - Male 0 1851 - Leicestershire, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back of 144, 144, Nelson Street West, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Edward Smith Head Married Male 49 1812 Tailor Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Smith Wife Married Female 41 1820 - Boston, Lincolnshire,
Georgiana Smith Daughter - Female 12 1849 Steel Pen Maker Oakham, Rutland,
Fredrick Smith Son - Male 10 1851 Steel Pen Maker Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Prisila Smith Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Millicent Smith Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Florence Smith Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Leicester, Leicestershire,
Augustina Smith Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Sleaford, Lincolnshire,
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jermyn Street, New Sleaford, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Edward Smith Head - Male 65 1806 - New Sleaford Lincolnshire, England
Mary Smith Wife - Female 55 1816 - Boston Lincolnshire,
Vandebeur Smith Son - Male 25 1846 - Northamptonshire, England
Frederick Smith Son - Male 20 1851 - Leicestershire, England
Precilla Smith Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Leicestershire, England
Florance Smith Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lincolnshire, England
Agustania Smith Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Lincolnshire, England
John H A Smith Son - Male 8 1863 - Lincolnshire, England
Lura Smith Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Lincolnshire, England
Arthur Smith Son - Male 1 1870 - Lincolnshire, England

Because we cannot find her prior to her marriage as Mary Clewing and we know there is a connection with Ireland

We now believe the Boston is in Ireland County Clare

You will find a lot of info on Toxteth + history on here:

historic-liverpool.co.uk/toxteth

Dea x

One of the trees on Ancestry has this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
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COWLING Maria Sleaford 14 1023
Smith Edward Sleaford 14 1023

This a new line of enquiry thankyou

Hi Margee looking at the above it does not fit in with the age of Mary and birth of the children or their ages looking again The name is definitely Clewing or variation of Clewing

Have you considered this one? The name Clewin to English ears might sound like Cloon.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sussex Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire, England


John Parle Head Married Male 46 1805 Boot Shoe Maker Wexford, Wexford, Ireland
Catherine Parle Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Mary J Parle Daughter - Female 15 1836 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Catherine Parle Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ellen Parle Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Cloon Lodger Unmarried Female 30 1821 Needlewoman Galway, Galway, Ireland<<<<<<<<<

The Mary Cloon on the 1851 with Parle family, had evidently left there by 1861.

There is also a Mary Clewing in Birmingham with James Minton wife and young son Also from Ireland how can I find a birth in Boston Ireland? I do know this family are Romany

There are RC parish records ( civil reg didn't start till much later) but taking a quick look the records for 1820s aren't online at

http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx

assuming ( from Google) that Boston comes under the kilkeedy/Kilkeady parish?

I think it would have helped to continue on this previous thread

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1337783?d=desc&page=1

Tracker, did you get al l of the children's birth certs, as I see it was suggested that there might have been two marriage of Edward to 'a' Mary?

No she had many children but I did note that the ages of the chidren suggested that one woman would not have spanned that childbearing age

You say you have the eldest child's birth certificate- was this Vandeleur born 1846?

What was the address? Wondering if there were any relatives living there?

I think it would be wise to get the birth cert for the oldest one if you haven't already?

Births Mar 1846 (>99

Smith Vandeleur Wellingboro' 15 426

No Augustina as this is my husbands Great Grandmother
Mary is buried in local churchyard with a stone to Edward her husband and other relatives near her as we have traced on the tree Mary lived long after Edward as census shows her as a widow