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Ok nothing for 1928-1930? ok going to take notes of all this now onto my record book

Clodagh j Johnston was on the electoral rolls in Chester until her death , the address can be found on http://www.freeelectoralroll.co.uk/Electoral_Roll_Search.asp

Sorry, Joonie - just realised you've already posted or implied all of the above .

And that's in spite of the fact that I had muttered about duplicate research on G83's other thread!

There are lots of travel records for Clodagh, but this is the latest one I can see on Ancestry.

Clodagh Janie Eleanor Johnston
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Clodagh Janie Eleanor Johnston
Birth Date: 13 May 1930
Age: 25
Port of Departure: Lagos
Arrival Date: 20 Jun 1955
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Accra
Shipping line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 0004/01


Travelling with parents, to c/o R A Clegg, The Orchards, Saughall, Chester.

Frederick's DOB: 22/12/1899
Eileen: 03/12/1900

Eileen Johnston

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Eileen Johnston
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 52
Port of Departure: Lagos
Arrival Date: 17 Aug 1953
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Accra
Shipping line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 181100


Travelling with Frederick, 53, and Clodagh Janie, 22.

Proposed address in UK:

The Orchards, Saughall, Cheshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Makes that Cheshire death look likely.



Frederick was a puisne judge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puisne_judge

G83 have you considered buying the death cert that Joonie posted for

Name: Clodagh Janie E Johnston
Birth Date: 13 May 1930
Date of Registration: Jun 2004
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
Inferred County: Cheshire
Register Number: A51
District and Subdistrict: 340/1A
Entry Number: 190

If the informant was a friend or relative they might know where this Clodagh was born? and if she had been adopted?

Mrs Eileen Johnston

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mrs Eileen Johnston
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 35
Port of Departure: Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1936
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Malda
Shipping line: British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 146286


Travelling with Fred.W. , 36, and Clodagh Jane, 6.
Last permanent residence: Uganda.
Proposed address in UK: 184 Cromwell Road, London SW5

Re the Johnston family:

Eileen Johnston
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Eileen Johnston
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 38
Port of Departure: London, England (Mombasa on image)
Arrival Date: 6 Jan 1939
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Dunvegan Castle
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 164702


Travelling with Frederick, 38, civil servant, and Janie, 8, student.
Proposed address in UK: 20 Highfield Park, Dundrum, Dublin.
Country of last permanent residence: Uganda.

Can anyone possibly search passenger records for 1929 late part of until may 1930 from possibly dublin but ending in the UK for Eileen Johnston x

Jooniecloonie

I have inboxed you i hope you dont mind however im thinking after re reading all this is there anyway of searching passenger records around 1929-1930 from ireland to UK Clodaugh wont be on them but Eileen should with possibly Frederick or alone? theory to help identify this was my aunt. i feel in my gut here that something is urging me to persue this theory and i have forwarded it as a possibility to the irish and english GROs as without a adoptive or taken surname after birth they was reluctant to help.

I dont know much about passenger lists and so on and freebmd nothing on Clodaugh at all no marriage i know she passed away with the surname Johnston but did she really not marry not have children im not sure

x

I understand thank you. I received today an email from the GRO stating if adopted in the UK her certificate would state adopted as someone else mentioned on the thread and its definitely not. She mentioned contacting equivalent authorities in Ireland but my query on that is it possible for a London born childs adoption to legally take place in ireland which would then not show on her original birth entry

well ... first you look for some :-)

I spent rather a long time on all that late last night, having got rather fixated on figuring it out, but I'm afraid that today I have to get stuff done!

I guess trying to discover whether Eileen Milne had siblings would be a start. I'll come back to this at a later point.

Ok I understand so now how do I go about that to contact possible relatives to enquire

Thank you

well yes, Alexandra, I know I understood all of that perfectly from the get go ... all of that being the reason I embarked on a line of investigation into possible sources for the name Coonah and possible incidences of the name Clodagh ...

It's a line of investigation you might want to consider. For instance, by looking for family of the Milne-Johnston couple to see whether their daughter can be ruled out.

That's how these things are done: find possibilities, investigate them, rule them out if that is the case, move on to look for others ... :-)

Coonah patricia nunn was daughter too gwendoline nunn of 28 urswick road yes definitely the father is lined through but was my great grandad william spinks. He was still married to another lady at the time Ivy Young. My ggf and gwen had 3 children one of which was Coonah the others were not given up and remained in the family. I stated the name clodaugh previously as my grand father recalled he thought the childs name was changed to this and im guessing surname would of definitely been changed with the new family. But again its word of mouth my ggf added a post in the paper 1951 wishing Coonah a happy 21st so its all confusing to me and I dont know if any above is possibility or not?

I do thank you for your efforts and replies

I was actually wondering whether there might have been a triangular relationship ...

if Coonah Edith (Young) Campbell was known to Gwendoline Nunn
... and William and Eileen Johnston were known to Coonah Campbell ... she was the same age ... if her husband was a civil servant (she left for Bombay right after marriage) ...

but I can't find her husband leaving England, to see his occupation

I wonder where he was ship's crew? :-S

you mentioned the name Clodagh in postings elsewhere, and Ireland ...


this dob is so close

Name: Clodagh Janie E Johnston
Birth Date: 13 May 1930
Date of Registration: Jun 2004
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
Inferred County: Cheshire
Register Number: A51
District and Subdistrict: 340/1A
Entry Number: 190

and there is no way of tracing that person's birth if she was born in Africa ... she has one record of entry and numerous outgoing records on passenger lists with parents Frederick William and Eileen ... him a civil servant and later a judge, and the couple being 34 and 33 when she was 3+1/2, their last permanent residence having been Uganda, and them being destined to an address in the Irish Free State ... other destinations were London and Chester.

there's no marriage in England/Wales for a Frederick W Johnston (22 Dec 1899) + Eileen (3 Dec 1900) (dobs from a later passenger record)


Ancestry is giving me the pip ... the preview shows 'Frederick William Johnston'

Name: Frederick Johnston
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1899
Date of Registration: Mar 1981
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Chester and ellesmere Port
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 35
Page: 0203

Name: Eileen Johnston
Birth Date: 3 Dec 1900
Date of Registration: Jun 1990
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Vale Royal
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 35
Page: 938

I suspect

Name Frederick William Johnston
Event Type Marriage
Event Date Oct - Dec 1928
Event Place Dublin South, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Oct - Dec 1928
Registration District Dublin South
Volume Number 2
Page Number 287

yes

Name Eileen Milne
Event Type Marriage
> Event Date Oct - Dec 1928
> Event Place Dublin South, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Oct - Dec 1928
Registration District Dublin South
> Volume Number 2
> Page Number 287

so

Name Eileen Milne
Event Type Birth
Event Date Jan - Mar 1901
Event Place Dublin North, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jan - Mar 1901
Registration District Dublin North
Volume Number 2
Page Number 527

there are possibilities for FWJ's birth in Chesterfield and Belfast

this does mean that my surmise that they might have been childless for a decade was not so

I think this was Frederick travelling out directly after the marriage

Name: Frederick Johnson
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1899
Departure Date: 21 Dec 1928
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Mombasa, Kenya
Ship Name: Malda

and then

Name: Mrs Johnston with Miss C J Johnston aged 1
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1902
Departure Date: 25 Jun 1931
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Mombasa, Kenya
Ship Name: Danstephan Castle


so it is seeming that Clodagh was born abroad ...

except when did Eileen travel out of the UK after her marriage and before the Feb 1931 arrival (esp. before May 1930)


here is the earliest incoming passenger record I see ... but it is before that outgoing

Name: Clodagh G E Johnston (mistranscribed, J E)
(with Frederick Wm and Eileen)
Port of Departure: Beira, Mozambique
Arrival Date: 15 Feb 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Modasa

destination was Dublin again



wild and crazy theory ...

but if Clodagh Johnston was the child of a British civil servant born in a British colony, her birth should show up at findmypast in 'British nationals born overseas 1818-2005' and it doesn't seem to (index to consular births 1925-1930, nothing in search results and nothing on the relevant page of the original index)

just in case this possibility is of interest, there is as much as I can find

the only other Coonah in the entire GRO index is

Marriages Sep 1929
Campbell John J B (Young) Wandsworth 1d 1658
Young Coonah E (Campbell) Wandsworth 1d 1658

and of course there is no birth record in England/Wales for her, and no death record (she would almost certainly be deceased by now, and is not on any electoral roll)

ah, here she is:

Name: Coonah Edith Campbell
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1899
Departure Date: 2 Nov 1929
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Domala

what I wondered was whether, given that they would have been about the same age, your Gwendoline and she might have been friends, hence the name

not that this would get you much of anywhere at this point ...

but she was actually a decade older

these are undoubtedly her parents, from familysearch

Name James Archibald Young
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 14 Jul 1919
Event Place Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Spouse's Name Coonah Mcevoy
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1896

so there seems maybe to be a Scottish flavour to the name


ah, also Bertha Coonah Wood born 1905 in Cornwall and died (Bertha Coonah Story) in 1974 (Ancestry transcribes as 'Coonan')


pretty much the only other existence of the name is as a street name in NSW Australia

that was going to be my guess for Gwendoline, given age and place of birth

Births Mar 1909
NUNN Gwendoline Jane Hackney 1b 386

household in 1911 at 18 Farleigh Road, Stoke Newington, Hackney

Charles Nunn 41
> Esther Nunn 35
Esther Nunn 12
Charles Nunn 10
> Harold Nunn 7
> Cyril Nunn 5
Gwendoline Nunn 3
George Nunn 29 brother of Charles
Louisa Nunn 24 sister of Charles

so there are a few more names

ah I see ... your grandfather and Gwendoline did marry, some time later ... and you descend from a child after their second.

I would guess it is unlikely that others in Gwendoline's family would know more than your own then ...

Not sure it helps, but in 1931 Gwendoline Jane Nunn was living at 28 Unswick Rd. Along with Cyril, Esther and Harold John. Are you in contact with any Nunn descendants at all, in case they know more?