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Amelia Margaret Halfide born India 1815 married William Hughes Hall and had Eleanor Hope Hall in India 1833 she died Eleanor Hope Greene in Isle of Man 1891.So I think that one can be ruled out.

Maryb.

(could relate below, from link, useful for India, also has some Aganoor)

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php


(just to add, Find My Past carry below)

East India Company & Civil Service Pensions

East India Company Pensions 1793-1833

East India Register & Army List 1855

Chris :)


Groom Surname Greene
Groom First Names J.J.
Bride Surname Hall
Bride First Names Eleanor H.
Location Mussoorie
Year 1853
Month August
Day 24
Full Entry Greene, Ens. J. J. 36th N.I. to Eleanor H. d. of the late W. H. Hall, at Mussoorie, Aug. 24.
Edition Year 1853
Edition Date 31 October


Entry from Bengal Orphan Upper School, 1820-1857
Child Surname Hall
Child Forenames Eleanor Hope
Date of Birth 20 May 1833
Date of Admission 1 Feb 1839
Fathers Name Lt W H Hall
When written to about early settlement 1 Jan 1849
To whom pension payable Mother Mrs Hall
Date of Discharge 20 May 1851
Remarks Being 18. Gone to India. Gone to India as per agents No 26 of 1845. Readmitted as per secys No 14 of 1846

Did you discount the Isle of Man connection?

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Greene family
lesannelee (View posts)
Posted: 7 Aug 2009 9:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Greene, Hall,
Julius and Eleanor Greene settled on the Isle of man in approx 1860 and remained there from '61-'01c mainly in 'Onchan'. Julius, retired lieut EIC, appears to have died between '69-'71 aged under 40yrs, leaving his family, wife Eleanor bn Cawnpore India 1834, dau Eleanor bn 1857 Jersey, son Alfred bn 1859 Jersey, Mary bn 1861 Douglas Isle of Man,Edward George bn 1866 Douglas Isle of Man, Henry bn 1867 Douglas IofM, Amelia bn 1869 Douglas IofM. Also living with tthem throughout this time is Amelia Mary Hall, mother of Eleanor, bn 1815 Ghazapore, India, widow of George James Hall, living on pension EIC. Presumably Julius, Eleanor snr and Amelia Mary Halls all died on the Isle of Man but the daughters may have married and moved away as might the sons. Does anyone know anything about this family?"

Not sure this helps at the moment but here is the man that left the Will. Same address on the burial record (17 Old Cavendish St)


1861
Name:Abeeth Aganon

Age:52

Estimated birth year:1809

Relation:Un

Gender:Male

Where born:Bombay E I B S

Civil Parish:St Marylebone

Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:Marylebone

Sub-registration district:Cavendish Square

ED, institution, or vessel:10
Household schedule number:226
Piece:72
Folio:181
Page Number:50

Household Members:


George R Sempany 63
Deanah Sempany 55
Elizabeth Goddard 23
R F Cunningham 51
Abeeth Aganon 52
Constantine Tebrobet 34

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1851


Name: Abatte Agannor

Age:46

Estimated birth year:abt 1805

Relation:Lodger

Gender:Male

Where born:India

Civil Parish:St Martin in the Fields

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:St Martin In The Fields

Sub-registration district:Charing Cross

ED, institution, or vessel:2b

Household schedule number:31
Piece:1481
Folio:112
Page Number:5

Julian Thomas Denis 44
Sarah Ann Denis 31
Catherine Winter 19
Abatte Agannor 46
Jean Verhen 45

Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%)
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Stocker William Henry 61 Kensington 1a 102


Deaths Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Probyn John Mills 75 Kensington 1a 11

(above are the ones Buried at Kensal Green, also Aviott, as mentioned on link posted by Rose)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(from above)

Chris :)


(also on below)

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 (Ancestry)

(Abode as, 16 Selwood Terrace, Brompton, for William. 4 Chelmsford Terrace, Harrow Road, for John)

Deaths Sep 1845
WELLSMAN Nicholas Lambeth 4 200

name is unique in the GRO index


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX7R-PBS

Name Nicholas Wellsman
Spouse's Name Mary Casswell
Event Date 20 Jun 1822
Event Place Sempringham, Lincoln, England

two baptisms shown there, both Marylebone

1823 Thomas
1825 Charles

family search has him in 1841

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKX-71W

Ancestry has him as Williams, a slate maker ... he seems to be in a rooming/boarding situation

Name: Nicholas Williams
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth



malyon since the 1901 census you posted cannot possibly be these people, could you perhaps delete that post so as not to clutter the thread with unrelated information? it makes it less confusing for everyone reading, thank you

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jamaica Place, Saint Anne Limehouse, Stepney, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation
George Vernon Head Married Male 44 1807 Mariner Deal, Kent, England
Susannah Vernon Wife Married Female 47 1804 - Horndon, Essex, England
Mary Grose Visitor Unmarried Female 38 1813 - Devonport, Devon, England

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) SUSANNAH
Last name VERNON
Gender Female
Death quarter 3
Death year 1853
District STEPNEY
County London
Volume 1C
Page 362

Further details from marriage posted by Kay????

Name: George Joseph Vernon <<<<<<<<Widow
Spouse: Amelia Wallis <<<<<<<<< Widower
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Nov 1853
Parish: Parish Chapel, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: George Vernon
Spouse Father: Nicholas Wellsman
Register Type: Parish Register

George is a Mariner residing in St Ann Limehouse at time of marriage. Father George deceased.
Amelia is living in St Pancras, Father Nicholas deceased.

George Joseph Vernon
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 20 November 1853 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
spouse: Amelia Wallis Or Wellsman.


?

Hi, All the details are taken from the will of Aviott Aganoor who died in 1862. As you say Ada Is named as Vernon but there is always the possibility of another marriage prior to Vernon or even an illegitimate child given the Vernon name after marriage. I have always thought that Amelia was probably born around 1820-30 but it might have been a little earlier, Ada must have been born prior to 1862 .
Thanks for your interest.

If the census that Malyon posted is the correct family then Ada was born 1876 so wouldn't have been a Vernon, surely?

You mention Ada is named in a will, can you say whose will it is an when ?

I'm having a hard time finding anything. May I ask how you know that she was Amelia Vernon in January 1862 and Amelia Hall in April?

Just because it fills out a few details this earlier query of is perhaps useful, just as background for helpers.


http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lnd.london/8855/mb.ashx

I am searching for this lady dob unknown but probably 1830ish, who in January 1862 is known as Mrs Amelia Mary Vernon of 21, Robert Street, Oxford Street, W1. By the 29th April 1862 she is shown as Amelia Hall (otherwise Vernon) wife of George James Hall of 24, Robert St, Oxford St, W1 and is said to have a daughter called Ada. I have spent many years trying to find this person but have never been able to find a marriage to a Vernon or to George James Hall or the birth of Ada Vernon. I have two possible census sightings, in '51 and '61 I have Amelia Vernon bn Southampton shown as 'landed proprietor' , in '51 she is married but in '61 she is widowed, however without a marriage or a maiden name I can't go any further. I have tried various alternative names for Ada, Adela, Adelaide, Adaline,Ida but as she is names as Ada in a will I have to assume that that is her correct name. Amelia is not a very common name either but I have found this puzzle impossible to solve. Three other names that form part of the story they are William H Stocker, Aviott Aganoor and Dr John Mills Probyn. Mr Stocker is a Tailor to lived in London but seems to come from Northumberland, Mr Aganoor was born in Bombay but lived in London and Dr Probyn was born in Bristol but lived in various parts of the country. If anyone has any information regarding Amelia I would love to hear from you. Lesley Lee