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Thank you for your recent posts. I'm sorry that I didn't provide a lot of information at the first post.

I know that David William Horton & Frances Lily Maud Francis is the mother of my grandmother - Zelda Frances Horton born in 1938 in East Glamorgan. She had a brother Royston Horton born in 1941 also in East Glamorgan. I know these for definite. I also know that there was another brother David Horton but I don't know when he was born - before or after my gran.

I have been told that my grans father David William Horton owned a "piggery" in the treforest/Pontypridd area.

On my grans birth certificate it says that her father was a "surface colliery" and then followed by something beginning with H that I cannot make out.

It also says the sub-district as Caerphilly.

(if relating below)

Chris :)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) David W
Last name Horton
Birth year 1907
Birth date 13 Jun 1907
Event year 1912 (Admission 3/12/12)
School name Graig Board School/Graig-y-wion, Pontypridd (Infants)
Town Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Parent name(s) William
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EPP6/2/1
Folio / page no. 15


1911 (Find My Past)
William Horton Father Married Male Collier Hewer 39 1872 Nanelly Breconshire
Sarah Horton Wife - Female - 38 1873 Hanslly Breconshire
Dd William Horton Son - Male - 4 1907 Brithdir Glamorganshire
David Aubery Lodger - Male Collier Hewer 34 1877 Hayelly Breconshire
Address 39 Danycoedcae
Parish Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Census reference
RG14 PN32318 RG78 PN1852 RD589 SD3 ED26 SN330


(for Yeovil reference)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Yeovil
Church name Holy Trinity
Register type
Register entry number 2
Baptism date 21 Apr 1898
Person forename Frances Lily Maud
Person abode 2, North Terrace, Newtown
Father forename George James
Father surname FRANCIS
Father occupation Printer
Mother forename Edith Lily


Baptism
County Somerset
Place Yeovil
Church name Holy Trinity
Register type
Register entry number 714
Baptism date 18 Nov 1896
Person forename Reginald Walter George
Person abode 2, North Terrace, Newtown
Father forename George James
Father surname FRANCIS
Father occupation Confectioner
Mother forename Elizabeth Lily


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

this is from Find My Past 1939 index


??? Household
?Caerphilly U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales




First name(s)

Last name(s)

Birth year


France L M Barker 1898
David W ~??? is also on this record born 1906

7 more people who are officially closed


Mavis

and Zelda's brother David is the one I was looking at then, born before Sylvia who died in infancy (easy to find at freebmd remember) - I won't put details here because I can't confirm a death (the 1938 David Horton death is a different child)

is he possibly living in Merthyr Tydfil with his wife?


the father of the 1906 David William Horton, in the1911 census posted by Chris Ho, was a collier, so that's consistent with the info on Zelda's birth certificate for David

possibly the H is hewer like the father in 1911?

ah the 1939 is interesting ... that would be 2 children of David & Frances (David and Zelda - Sylvia born and died in childhood before 1939, last child Royston not yet born) ... and 5 others ... and I am thinking they were Frances's not David's

Barker-Francis births in Pontypridd

Jun 1919
Dec 1920
Dec 1922
Dec 1924
Mar 1927
Dec 1928
Mar 1930
Sep 1931

not posting details as some might be living

have not checked to see whether any died in childhood

but in any case the older ones may well have left home by 1939

I know that David had children before having any children with Frances?

Looking back through the posts - I think I may be mistaken.

After speaking to my mother - she says it could be possible that Francis was the one who had the children and not David. My mother is only telling me information she has been told as it's my fathers family I am researching.

yes I think so Natalie :-)

if you do the search at freebmd for Barker-Francis births you will be able to identify them in the years I listed

it's understandable that if your mother was not close to your father's family, or not told all the complicated details of her in-laws' family relationships, she might have got it backwards

but it does tell us the importance of explaining -where- information is coming from, as knowledge and memory are often imperfect and can be stumbling blocks when searching

You are correct Joonie. I have since, found someone on GR that had confirmed that Frances married a Horton and had three children with him but she previously married a Barker. Amazing!

Thanks so much for all your help.

you're welcome, and so that's that sorted then :-)

... so far ... look at all the children you have, to track down now!

I have found a living relative that lives very close to me. It's amazing. Thank you Joonie for all your help xx