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Siblings of HENRY BATHURST HANNA, please

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Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 14 Dec 2015 21:39

Thank you JoonieCloonie for the guidance about amending Ancestry's transcriptions - have updated for HBH.

Seems that his brother Stewart probably didn't marry/have children so we the descendants will be the ones to have the pleasure of all this wonderful writing.
:-D

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Dec 2015 21:14

I missed this one last night ................

Deaths. On Monday, the 24th inst., at No. 81, Milton Street, Dorset Square, aged 7 years, Matilda, youngest child ol the late Rev. Stewart William Hanna, Incumbent of St. James’s, Marylebone.

28 January 1853 - Evening Mail - London, London,

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Dec 2015 21:01

there was another one ..............because I found a Stewart George Hanna living in Queensland .............. posting below at 13 Dec 2015 01:48 and copied over to here:-

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from FMP

Hanna
Stewart G


1885
Queensland directories
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George


1903
Queensland electoral rolls
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George


1906
Queensland electoral rolls
Queensland, Australia


Hanna
Stewart George



Cyclopedia of New Zealand v2 Auckland
New Zealand


Unfortunately, the images for the above don't seem to show Stewart George Hanna ?????

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could this one be a descendant

OR just a member of the Hanna family from Ireland (where Stewart William and his first wife were born). My researching last night did seem to show a usage of the same or very similar names.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 14 Dec 2015 20:16

well that's better!

somebody needed an abacus :-)

if he had been married, one would think it would have named his wife, but perhaps not necessarily if she was not part of London society?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 14 Dec 2015 19:36

02 August 1893 - London Evening Standard - London, London, England

Death
July 2. at Naini Tal. India, aged 59. Stewart Hanna , C.E., son of the late Rev. S.W. Hanna, formerly incumbent of St. James's Chapel. London.

Chris :)

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 14 Dec 2015 18:21

now I'm wondering ... your Stewart was 17 in 1851 so born c1834?

KathleenBell posted this earlier I see, but to review:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGGG-Q47


Stewart Hanna - India Deaths and Burials
Name Stewart Hanna
Gender Male
Burial Date 03 Jul 1893
Burial Place Naini Tal, Bengal, India
Death Date 02 Jul 1893
Age 68
> Birth Date 1825
> Occupation Engineer
Marital Status Unknown

might there have been another one? :-S

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 14 Dec 2015 18:12

the link for correcting is over on the left of the individual record, and says

'Add alternate information'

on the pop-up form, as you fill in each item, you get the next item to fill in (reason for correction, what you're correcting, explanation, etc - be sure to state that you're related, I hate coming across corrections and not knowing whether the person is a family member!)

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 14 Dec 2015 18:05

Here is an excerpt from the handwritten journal that I am transcribing, where my GGGA mentions 'Mr. Hanna'; the journal begins on September 27 1889. It is absolutely fascinating and luckily she goes into tremendous detail about her surroundings and the marches that they make to various places [although when she writes 'march', it actually means that she and her sister Rosamond [R below] are carried by the kulis in dhandis!! The kulis do all the hard work.
"Tuesday Novr 5. 1889
Went out early, up the hill, & along it, passing
Page 48.
behind Mr. Hanna’s[71a], by the tennis ground of the old Government House[72], & so down past the Post Office. R had never been along these paths before & was charmed with them." Etc.,etc. The numbered footnotes are my research as I go along with the transcription.
:-)

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 14 Dec 2015 17:33

JoonieCloonie and ChrisHo - again, you are officially wizards at this game. When I made my last post, I was just in the throes of going to collect my car which had been very poorly for the last week - even though it was new! I hadn't looked properly at ChrisHo's amazing find - apologies.

Of course, it is indeed my HBH's brother Stewart George and with that wonderfully helpful description of his Raj career. Whoopee.

I wonder if he married/had offspring?? If he had children, it would be a wonderful end to this story if I could offer them a copy of the handwritten journal by my GGA where she mentions him several times .............. Can you see a marriage for him, please?

BTW, I see that HBH's baptism record on ancestry in 1851 has the incorrect middle name of 'Bethina'. In the past, I've made corrections on Ancestry but can no longer find the button; have they removed it, or am I being dumb. :-S

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 14 Dec 2015 14:55

Nicola, surely (unless I have completely failed to grasp the thread on a quick read) it would have been Stewart, who was an engineer and was granted a patent in 1871 (good finds Chris Ho)


I had mainly wanted to mention that the ages of the Frances and children in the 1851 census had caught my eye immediately and certainly suggested a second marriage ... disparity between ages of husband and wife, and the young age of that Frances made her unlikely to be the mother of at least the eldest children

so the death of Frances C in 1850 and marriage to Frances E in 1851 would be correct

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 14 Dec 2015 14:04

Gosh, you've all been so busy - when do you sleep!

Julian's career in the Merchant Navy is interesting, but in view of his below post I don't think the book can be referring to this brother of HBH:
bother, this site won't let me cut and paste so here is the link to the book and page number:
"British Administration in Kumaon Himalayas", pages 134-135. A "Mr. Hanna" is credited with the notion of constructing a wire ropeway between Kathgodam and Nainital [HBH, who may or may not be his brother, was married in Nainital two years later in 1889].
Everything looks to be a lovely coincidence of names and places and years, but I can't pinpoint which of HBH's brothers the above may be.
Can you see any of the other brothers in adulthood with an occupation which may 'fit', please?
:-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 13 Dec 2015 06:43

http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/

(above useful)

Chris :)

Entry from Patents of invention for British India, 1856-90
Patent no. 507
Surname Hanna
First names Stewart George
Date registered 23 Feb 1871
Short title Hydro-pneumatic excavator
Place Sirhind Canal, Punjab
Rank Civil engineer & Executive Engineer
Unit Public Works Department
Reference Indian patent


Entry from Deaths 1893
Year 1893
month Jul
day 2
Register Entry July 2nd at Naini Tal SG Hanna late a CE PWD
Edition Year 1893
Edition Date 17 Jul

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

(Families in British India Society. Above useful)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 05:59

Do you have this, Frances Elizabeth's burial


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Frances Elizabeth Colvin
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1895
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1895
Burial date 19 Feb 1895
Burial place South Bersted, Sussex, England
Place South Bersted
County Sussex
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 05:45

in the 1851 Census, Frances E Hanna is shown as born in India, so this must be her in later censuses, but without any of the children

1861 Census

Name: Frances Hanna
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: East Indies
Civil Parish: Stoke
Town: Guildford
County/Island: Surrey

1871 Census

Name: Frances Hanna
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: East Indies
Civil Parish: Stoke next Guildford
Town: Guildford
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Guildford



so were the children all left to go their own ways???

and if so, where are they ......... Rhoda appears in 1861, then not again until 1891. Edith doesn't appear until 1891, etc etc

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 05:37

I don't know whether you have this .............


Index to Death Duty Registers Transcription

First name(s) Stewart Wm
Last name Hanna
Death year 1851
Residence MILTON ST DORSET SQRE
County -
Court Canterbury Prerogative Court
Record set Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
National Archives reference IR27/60
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:

Revd Stewart Wm

Administrator/Administrix of Estate:- Frances E C Hanna, of Milton St, Dorset Square



England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Stewart William
Last name Hanna
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1851
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1851
Burial date 07 Jun 1851
Burial place Wonston, Hampshire, England
Place Wonston
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 05:12

???? Stewart William's first wife??

Deaths Mar 1850 (>99%)

HANNA Frances Catherine Stepney 2 352


from FMP ...........


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Frances Catherine
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1850
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1850
Burial date 09 Jan 1850
Burial place Wonston, Hampshire, England
Place Wonston
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 04:47

Interestingly, that 1841 census that has the unnamed child on it .................

the census image shows it as a male child BUT then Rhoda is the only child born in 1841 :-S

so I think that the child's age was put in the wrong column, the male column instead of the female one

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 04:44

from ancestry

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Rhoda Catherine Georgianna Hanna
Probate Date: 28 Jan 1910
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 21 Jan 1909
Death Place: Surrey, England

from image:-

of 5 Amerland Rd, Wandsworth, Surrey, died 21 Jan 1909. Probate [granted] London 28 Jan 1910 to Henry Bathurst Hanna retired colonel H.M. Army.
Effects £32 15s 11d


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Edith Frances Margaret Hanna
Probate Date: 22 Jan 1910
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 19 Jun 1909
Death Place: Surrey, England

from image:-

of 5 Amerland Road, Wandsworth, Surrey, spinster, died 19 Jun 1909 at Heathmere, Petersfield, Hampshire. Probate [granted] London 22 Jan 1910 to Henry Bathurst Hanna, retired colonel H.M Army.
Effects £125 3s

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 03:18

from fmp


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Rhoda
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1909
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1909
Burial date 25 Jan 1909
Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Place Wandsworth
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom


and Edith buried in the same cemetery ........


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Edith Frances Margaret
Last name Hanna
Gender Female
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1909
Birth year -
Age at death -
Burial year 1909
Burial date 23 Jun 1909
Burial place Putney Vale Cemetery, Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Place Wandsworth
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Dec 2015 02:57

Rhoda in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Rhoda C G Hanna
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: 1843
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 339
Folio: 21
Page Number: 10

Helen H Tate 55
Wilfred Tate 24
Georgiana Tate 19 Scholar
Rhoda C G Hanna 18 Scholar
Matilda Hulbert 20

Address:- 16 Sutherland Square


tempting to suggest she and Georgiana are friends ??????