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Can I access police records of the time? (1860-1861)

Thank you.

The record doesn't give his age at date of sentence.

According to England & Wales Criminal Registers 1791-1892
John Lucas and Joseph Garnett sentenced to 4 years penal servitude.
At the time sentences less than 12 months, imprisonment, over 12 months, penal servitude. Can I get an age of John Lucas at the date of the sentence?

There is a John Lucas sentenced in October 1861 in Manchester to 4 years imprisonment (not penal servitude) for stealing bales of cotton

PM from Robert today:

Your John William Lucas arrived Slains Castle died Moonta SA 1905
My John William Lucas arrived Brisbane 1862 ship unknown died Bega NSW 1920
I think my John William was sentenced to transportation October 1861 four years.


Hi, Robert -

He's not "my" John Lucas. I'm not related to you - just one of the helpers on the GR boards.

I posted the information about "Slains Castle" because you said in your post of
25 Jan 2016 00:00 that that was the ship he had travelled on.

Your post copied here for ease of reference:

I have found the records I was searching for. Joseph Lucas 39 arrived Port Phillip 1851, aboard the ship "Slains Castle" With him was his wife Eliza Ann 36 his daughter also Eliza Ann 6 His son John William 4 (my GGGrandfather) and daughter Frances 2.


(Or perhaps I'm confused, and you've been asking about two different John William Lucases?)

EDIT:
Yes, I see I am confused, and that it was pointed out that the Slains Castle family were from Northamptonshire. I should have read all the posts!

Argyllgran.

Your John William Lucas Born 1846
Died 1905 Moonta SA. Arrived Slains Castle. (SA)
My John William Lucas Born 1848
Died 1920 Bega NSW Arrived Brisbane Qld approx 1862 age 14 ship unknown.

Thank you Argyllgran,

Your John William Lucas born 1846 arrived SA Slains Castle.
Died 1905 Moonta SA
My John William Lucas Born 1846 arrived Brisbane approx 1862 ship unknown.
Died 1920 Bega NSW.

Re the ship -

Have you Googled the ship name? There's a fair bit about it:

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d1-d1-d19.html

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d2-d3-d3.html

http://tinyurl.com/zjawggu

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/SlainsCastle.htm

http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlists/slainscastle.html



And many other search results.

New thread started by Robert today:

John William Lucas

Born about 1848 Lancashire England. Arrived Brisbane Australia 1862 age 14, apparently accompanied some horses imported from England. Records relating to arrival apparently lost in a flood in Brisbane. I need some information regarding the ship and if someone has details of parents, father Joseph according to obituary.
Worked in Sydney on the GPO construction and married Celia Augusta Sheather.
Arrival in Australia is a mystery. Most of married life in Bombala NSW.


Advised to keep everything on this thread.

Rob, you're welcome

We got there in the end! x

To Gins, you did ask about my grandfather. He was John Charles Lucas B1878, the son of John William Lucas
Married Mabel Jane Wilbers B1884 in Bombala NSW 1902.
This the area where my father Hugh John Edward Lucas was born.

I did find the arrival in Adelaide, but your research is incredible. For many years I was mistaken with a Benjamin Lucas from Ireland. Now everything is clear. I cannot thank you enough

Siblings to John William:

Name:Thomas Turland Lucas
Birth Date:18 Feb 1852
Birth Place:Eyres Flat
Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father:Joseph Lucas
Mother:Eliza Ann Turland
Page Number:341
Volume Number:3
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Name:Eva Lucas
Birth Date:24 Aug 1856
Birth Place:Eyres Flat
Registration Place:Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia
Father:Joseph Lucas
Mother:Eliza Ann Turland
Page Number:98
Volume Number:9
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And this looks to be Joseph' parents marriage


Name:Samuel Lucas
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:24 Oct 1805
Marriage Place:Draughton, Draughton, England (parish of Maidwell on the image)
Event Type:Marriage
Spouse:Frances Green
Parish as it Appears:Draughton
Register Type:Parish Registers
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1841 Census

Name:Samuel Lucas <<School master
Age:60

Estimated birth year:abt 1781
Gender:Male
Where born:Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish:Maidwell
Hundred:Rothwell
County/Island:Northamptonshire
Registration district:Brixworth
Sub-registration district:Brixworth

Piece:809
Book:12
Folio:4
Page Number:3

Samuel Lucas 60
Frances Lucas 60
Elizabeth Lucas 20
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1851 Census

Name:Samwell Lucas <<School master (widower)
Age:73

Estimated birth year:abt 1778
Relation:Head
Gender:Male

Where born:Maidwell, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish:Maidwell

County/Island:Northamptonshire
Registration district:Brixworth
Sub-registration district:Spratton

ED, institution, or vessel:7
Household schedule number:26
Piece:1742
Folio:477
Page Number:8

Samwell Lucas 73
Mary Lucas 30
Elizabeth Lucas 28

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FRANCES
Last nameLUCAS

Birth year1782
Death year1846

Age64
Burial year1846

Burial day30
Burial month3

PlaceMAIDWELL
Church descriptionST MARY
Church denominationANGLICAN
CountyNorthamptonshire
Record setNational Burial Index for England & Wales

CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
SubcategoryDeaths & burials
Collections fromGreat Britain

This family are from Maidwell in Northampton which is contrary to the information previously given/posted It might be an idea to tell us who your grandfather was, when/where he was born (if you're certain and have proof of this)


Name:Joseph Lucas
Estimated birth year:abt 1824 (37/9 on image)
Age:27
Arrival Date:15 Jan 1851
Arrival Port:Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Departure Port:Plymouth
Ship:Slains Castle
Nationality:English

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This looks like the couple


Name:Joseph Lucas
Birth Date:Abt 1813
Baptism Date:21 Oct 1813
Baptism Place:Maidwell, Northamptonshire, England
Age:0
Parish as it Appears:Maidwell
Register Type:Parish Registers
Father:Samuel Lucas <<School master
Mother:Frances Lucas
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Name:Eliza Ann Turland
Birth Date:10 Nov 1814
Gender:Female
Event Type:Baptism
Father:Thomas Turland
Mother:Catherine
Baptism Date:7 Nov 1820
Baptism Place:Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Denomination:Independent
Piece Title:Piece 1277: Northampton, Castle Hill Meeting (Independent), 1814-1827
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Marriages Jun 1840

LUCAS Joseph Northampton 15 437
TURLAND Eliza Ann Northampton 15 437
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Name:Eliza Ann Lucas Spouse:Joseph Lucas
Birth Year:abt 1815
Age:75
Death Date:11 Mar 1890
Death Place:Parkside
Residence Place:Parkside
Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:193
Volume Number:184

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Family Notices

DEATH. Died at Young Street, Parkside, on 11th March, 1890 Eliza Ann Lucas, aged 75. Mrs. Lucas, whose death is recorded above, was the Bible Woman of the North East Bible Woman's Mission for fourteen years, namely, from 1875 to the end of 1889, The Committee of that Mission valued her very highly, and regretted that her serious illness obliged them to accept her resignation. During her office she endeared herself to many, who will remember and lament her long, and yet be glad that they knew one who was so active in good works, and in spite of illness, 80 sympathetic with other sufferers, who having met and overcome difficulties in her own life, could aid with advice and encouragement those who were in trouble, and grudging no time or labour in giving help. During her last illness, her cheerfulness 'was wonderful, with entire resignation to the will of God.
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Looks like Eliza Ann' parents

Thomas Turland[Tomas Turland]
Gender:Male
Event Type:Marriage
Marriage Date:18 Feb 1806
Marriage Place:Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse:Catharine Southam
Parish as it Appears:Kingsthorpe

I have found the records I was searching for. Joseph Lucas 39 arrived Port Phillip 1851, aboard the ship "Slains Castle" With him was his wife Eliza Ann 36 his daughter also Eliza Ann 6 His son John William 4 (my GGGrandfather) and daughter Frances 2.

Thank you all for supporting me.

Different trees at Ancestry have conflicting information about John. One has him born in Sydney


Name:John W Lucas
Birth Date:1842
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1842
Registration Place:Sydney (Parish not stated), New South Wales, Australia

Father:Thomas Lucas
Mother:Anne

Volume Number:V18422053 133
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Maybe his father was from Lancashire although the name on the marriage for him is Thomas



Name:Thomas Lucas
Age:29
Birth Year:Abt 1807

Spouse:Ann Huck

Request Status:Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal:5 Oct 1836

A message from Robert:


You are right, the name on the marriage certificate is John William Luckes,
he probably could not spell his name. All other records of the marriage state the surname as Luck. I still have difficulty locating his father, as no parents names were registered on the marriage certificate. Joseph Lucas is a common name.


I have asked Robert to reply on here so that everyone can see the information

John William Lucas

England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name John William Lucas
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1842
Registration District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Event Place Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Volume XV
Page 291
Line Number 26

MARY
Last name LUCAS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1844
District PRESCOT
County Lancashire
Volume 20
Page 577
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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