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we have a reason to believe they may be of irish/uk decent...and wondering if its Patrick who immigrated

I am finding other nationalities easoer...south African seems way harder to find info

thank you...

I will look again as I couldn't find much on Patrick such as birth date and place..yes did find the second marriage though so I'm glad I had right one...

hmm maybe the civil record is a divorce?!

Family search has details of Patrick Joseph...you can also view his 2nd marriage to Nellie Brierley 1927...
The following is Peter Carrolls Death..His wife was Constance.


Name Patrick Joseph Carroll
Gender Male
Wife Luitha Maria Elizabeth Carroll
Child Petrus Jurie Carroll

Other information in the record of Petrus Jurie Carroll

from South Africa, Orange Free State, Estate Files

Name Petrus Jurie Carroll
Event Type Death
Event Date 12 Jul 1969
Event Place Tempe
Age 56
Birth Year (Estimated) 1913
Father's Name Patrick Joseph Carroll
Mother's Name Luitha Maria Elizabeth Carroll
Spouse's Name Constance Edmundia Carroll
Other Name(s) CHILD:Melané Carroll

I'm no expert on South African research, the few time I've had to look up information I've used FamilySearch, EGGSA, National Archives South Africa.

The latter is showing this 1923 case:

DEPOT VAB
SOURCE HG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 4/2/1/1/274
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 691/1923
PART 1
DESCRIPTION CIVIL RECORDS. TRIALS AND APPLICATIONS. LUITA MARIA CARROLL, BORN STROEBEL VERSUS PATRICK JOSEPH CARROLL.
STARTING 19230000
ENDING 19230000

Thank you it confirms my scribbles and what I have been finding and trying to confirm

No need for translation :)

But this is where I get the roadblock of getting any more info on Patrick Joseph Carroll and Luitha Maria Elizabeth Stroebel...

IS there also a placre I can find out who Annie had married and divorced (i.e. my granmothers father?) :-D

The death of Petrus Jurie Carroll:

https://goo.gl/OFsXY5

I'm afraid I can't do the translation, but it appears that Patrick Joseph Carroll and Luitha Maria Elizabeth Stroebel had 3 children: Petrus Jurie, Annie Catherine and Thomas Miles.

Constance Edmundia was the wife of Petrus Jurie Carroll.

sorry bad typo and my own scribbles....

so Patrick and Luitha are the parents

Thank you Marie :) sorry again for my mix up which I didn't even pick up

Just for info, Thomas Miles Carroll's death:

https://goo.gl/gRUSNv

Does that not read as though Annie was his sister?

Hi Chandi, welcome to the community boards.

Could you just clarify the dates - you say "Annie Catherine Van Loggerenberg (nee Carroll) born 3 June 1907" but then "Annie's father is Thomas Miles Carroll born 1910" so the years don't quite fit.

HI all

Any guidance would be great...we trying to get more info regarding my grandmothers ancestors...specifically her father and her grandparents. What I have:

My grandmother is Carrol Molly Strydom born 29 Jan 1935 in Johannesburg, still living.

Her mother is Annie Catherine Van Loggerenberg (nee Carroll) born 3 June 1907 Thaba Nchu I think and her husband left when my gran was a baby and she is [pretty confused about any of his info....she thinks his name was Izak Van Loggerenberg.

From what I further found and unsure of is Annie's father is Thomas Miles Carroll born 1910 died about 19 Jan 1960 in Thaba Nchu?. And his father from what I see is Patrick Joseph Carroll with an estimated BD of 1879. ANnie's mother is listed as Luitha Maria Elizabeth Stroebel no other info.

And someone by the name of Constance Edmundia Carroll is showing...

any help would be great I have been searching high and low and pretty stuck...

I am guessing to get my grandmother's dad's info as he left young would be to get my grans unabridged birth certificate? unless a marriage thing can be found which I haven't as yet.

Many thanks