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Albert Ernest Stone
in the England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

Name: Albert Ernest Stone
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1868
Birth Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Father's name: James Stone
Mother's name: Catherine Kelly

Son of James Stone, a Colour Sgt in West York Militia and Catherine Kelly
Born 12.7.68 at 89 Lowther Street etc. Registered by father, same address

Couldn't be much clearer.......................

A tree on Ancestry has the wife as Catherine Elizabeth Kelly, b.Lunenberg Nova Scotia

Confirmed by ALL the birth registrations.

He probably married her in CANADA. Or didn’t marry at all

GRO website:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Could someone post the web address for the GRO to help John. I can’t C&P at the moment

John I won't go back through all the posts, but since you last queried the GRO has given mother's maiden names on births, which might be of some help. Looking at the 1881 census that has been posted, you can check the births of children

eg STONE, ALBERT ERNEST mmn KELLY
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 38

sorry for rewriting this but I have note called time on james stone.
Born at upper james street Middlesex London,22nd june baptised 13 july1817 his mum/dad were joseph stone and mary cumer they marr at st Dunston all saints stepney, tower hamlets marr 19th oct 1795 as far as I know the had 3 children
Elizabeth b 1795, martha 1815- 1901 died age 85 both girls were baptised at st Botolph , aldergate,london.
James was attestation 3 jan 1837 age 20 at bow street in the regiment 38th foot.
he went to Ireland, crimere,jamacia, Canada, in his medals [ in his medals there was 1 for india 1847 [ lucknow] 1847, his other medals are british campaign,, gallantary and for turkey[crimea] long sevice all his medals are in the regimentel museam.He was honoured the rank of colour Sgt, some time after he got home he was a instructor in musket training he was discharged at house guards 1857 he was also a Chelsea pensioner he was offered a job in York, he was being appointed
to the permanent staff of the 2nd west yorkshire militia holding the same rank.
The Chelsea pension admission was 1858,he was still a Chelsea pensioner when he died about 1877.
Know I said he was marr cathrine martin but I was wrong, her maiden name I think was Kelly that is all the information I have,i have traced all his children about 11 of them one came to a village about 4 miles from my house.
I know I asked the same thin about 4 years ago but I have been poking about and that's all I have
thank you john harper



your help in finding his marrage would be good

your right argyllgran it was London [sorry] if I misled you
Christina 1 don't know of any brothers/sisters.
I have not found any proof of james marr anyonn else ,the bricklayer is not him
kind regards john

James Stone died aged 72 on 2nd Oct 1888 at 35 Lowther Street.




Ann Elizabeth married Patrick John Connolly on 11th Dec 1869 at the PC Fulford, York.

James Richard, a joiner married Mary Ann Lucas on 30th April 1878 at the PC St Thomas, York.

Emma Jane married Harry Liddall or Siddall on 26th Dec 1881 at the PC St Margaret, York.

Frances Catherine married John Teasdale 29th May 1880 at the R.O York.

Joseph Urbane, a tailor died 29th May 1884 at 35 Lowther Street, St Maurice, York.

Louisa Julia married Thomas Torr on 2nd Dec 1886 at the PC St Thomas, York.

John born 22nd April 1864 at Bond Street, St Maurice, York died 23rd April 1864.

John Edward born 14th Oct 1866.

Albert Edward born 12th July 1868 at 89 Lowther Street.

Kate Alice married William John Mercer on 1st Aug 1892 at PC St Pauls, York.


All details from Andrews Newspaper Index Cards,

John, you say,"I have james and catherines marr at Winchester 1850."

Where have you found that, please?
None of us can find any such marriage.

In your opening post you said he had married Catherine Martin - but that has been disproved - and that marriage was in London in any case, not Winchester.


Christina asked about James's sibling (brother or sister), but you have listed his children. As she said, if we knew the name of his brother or sister, we might be able to trace the family that way.

chris
I don't understand about childrens entries having Kelly.
I have james and catherines marr at Winchester 1850 and that's where his first child ann was born 1852, it is said in his service record that the regiment came back to southhampton1851 most of the men went to Winchester so from then till they sailed for the crimea in 1854.
maybe the dates were wrong it happens anyway.
I have been trying to find out about james/Catherine for a few years now but you dug up Ireland which I can add to my list I thank you chris
john

Well John, as good as GR helpers are, I'm afraid we cannot tell you what Certificates say!...(and, they would give you the Mothers Maiden name)

All childrens entries on Ancestry, have Kelly (I thought you had established that it wasn't the Martin one, her being the one with other James, bricklayer)

No Marriage has been found for your James and Catherine, as said, it could be anywhere, he was away as you know, with Regiment.

That is where your problem lies...

Chris :)


(this below is the category for articles on Ancestry)

England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

This unique card index was compiled in England from the 1790s until about 1970 and features a collection of notices from newspapers and various official sources, such as the London Gazette. Approximately 250,000 cards include announcements of births, marriages, obituaries, and deaths abroad; notices of wills, unclaimed estates, and filings under the Colonial Probates Act of 1892 (which recognized probates from courts in British possessions); and advertisements for missing persons and people seeking next of kin. The original newspaper clippings on the cards sometimes include annotations referring to additional information from other sources.

Christina
ann1852 w/chester,francis Catherine Chelsea, james r 1856 Chelsea, emma jane 1858 deal,thomas e York 1860-1871,joseph urbain york1862 -1884 Louisa Julia 1863 York,,george Arthur 1865 york, john Edward 1867 york,albert ernest 1967 york,kate alice1870.

chris, james d 1888 age 72 York, catherine d age 91 at lady wilsons cottages heworth, York.
How did he marr Catherine martin,and those pieces of paper in the census say Kelly.
I don't go for certs I get my information from you guys[ which are very good]
ancestry, find my past, family search.org
john

When did James die?...(was he the 1888 York one)

(below looks to be Catherine)


Deaths Jun 1923 (>99%)
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STONE Catherine 91 York 9d 40


Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1923

STONE Catherine - York East York YKE/34/14


(1911, for her says, widow, Marriage lasted 59yrs, 12 children born, 7 living, 5 died)

(1901, widow)

(1891, widow)

John, As James Stone was your "4xuncle" please could you let us know what information you have on his sibling (your ancester). Maybe we'll be able to trace the parents along that route.

Yes John, can also see those details for Anne Elizabeth as well, same as others, for Birth details...(born 15/3/52. James Stone a Sergeant, 38th Regiment & Catherine Eliz Kelly, at Great Minster Street, Winchester)


Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Stone Ann Elizabeth Winchester 2c 79

(do you not have above Cert., or, any of other children?)


Problem is, finding their Marriage!, looking like it could be anywhere in World!...

Chris :)

(nobody is a 'Dummy', lol, just easy for confusion to reign!)


edits

http://www.staffordshireregimentmuseum.com/research.html

(We can only research the soldiers who have served with the 38th...)

(above do Research, for a charge)

aviegal I have been through james stone early life- [the bricklayer]it not him I have my james army record he was not marr twice.
why aviegal would it say Kelly was his wife, when it was martin I have seen that is it a misprint.
I know Lunenburg is nova scotia, the army was there because of a leaked piece of information saying that USA was thinking about invading Canada.
thankyou Argyll gran buy not that . I DONT THINK I WILL EVER FIND HIS MUM/DAD OR INFO ABOUT CATHERINE, THINK ABOUT IT AND IF YOU DO COME ACROSS ANYTHING LET ME KNOW [CALL IT QUITS]
I HAVE LEARNT THAT YOU PEOPLE THAT HELP US DUMMYS ARE A NICE FORCE TO BE RECONED WITH, THANK YOU ALL

chris ho
you are right his unit army No1391 38 regment of foot on his service record does not mention Ireland [it a bit faded].
I have his daug ann she marrpaterick Connolly he was b waterford1842.he was quarter master sgt in 89th reg they are living at his house in York about 1855ish

thanks chris every bit helps
john

malyon
that's james a his family in York,
alvigul
you say he was marr twice 1839 to Judith 1821-1847 I have his army record,judith d 1847 he remarr 1850 ,he was in zante,corfu 1841,gibalter 1843,jamaica 1846,nova scotia then came home.
on them newspaper bit with the census it does name his wife as Kelly not martin I am now going supid I don't understand
so his wife is Kelly, [ I have worked on the bricklayer he is nothing to do with it] so where did his 2nd wife Catherine come from was it nova scotia, and hie mum/dad who are they, now I am lost[ to much info]
thankyou john

(seems James was in Ireland 1841)

British Army, Worldwide Index 1841 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James
Last name Stone
Sex Male
Service number 1391
Rank Private
Unit or regiment 38th Foot
Sub unit Depot
Year 1841
Location Kinsale
The National Archive reference WO 12/5206


(Kinsale
Town in the Republic of Ireland
Kinsale is a historic port and fishing town in County Cork, Ireland, which also has significant military history.)

Chris :)


http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(has Yorks. Births)


Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Stone Ann Elizabeth Winchester 2c 79


(that 1850 Marriage, occ. Bricklayer?, thought he was a Soldier, as stated for occupation on James Richard Marriage 1878. Image on FMP)


Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1863

STONE Louisa Julia Wetherby Leeds WETH/1A/361


Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Stone Louisa Julia York 9d 87
TORR Thomas York 9d 87


England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976 (Ancestry)

(also applies, Louisa above, Mother Catherine Eliz. Kelly. Birth and Marriage details given)


Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
LIDDALL Harry York 9d 59
STONE Emma Jane York 9d 59

(another on there also, Mother Catherine Eliz. Kelly)


edits (other James below. Bricklayer, with first wife Judith)

1841 (Find My Past)
Cow Cross Street, St Sepulchre, London Union, West, Middlesex, England

(and, seeing ticks on FMP, against records, as 'viewed before', have you had a previous query relating?)