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thank you everyone xx :-)

Ann, the 1911 census says They have been married 14 years (I.e. 1897) and had 11 children 7 of whom are still living. It doesn't give a place of marriage.

Rose, I think the mother must have been married before and that's why be can't tie in his birth.

Ah! Also a Philip L who married a Kathleen in 1971.

Now the possible birth in 1949 gives mmn as Baxter. I can't see a Baxter marriage to a Ward.

Rootgatherer I was looking at that one but couldn't see a corresponding marriage to that Philip's mother, at least not in her maiden name.

But does look as if Philip and Catherine had a child 1969, so that might tie in? and/or child 1970?

There is a marriage of a Philip G to a Catherine in 1968 in Birmingham. Do you think this is too early?

The problem with the 1907 Aston marriage is that one male name is missing but neither female is Annie

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
HALL Harriett Elizabeth Aston 6d 575 Scan available - click to
RAVENSCROFT Beatrice Maud Aston 6d 575 Scan available - click to view
WARD Joshua Aston 6d 575

Thank you for getting back to us on this thread Ann.

I am just about to sign out for the night........but I will check back on here tomorrow.

Prickles. x

As for my grandparents I have found the on 1911 census but on ancestry it said they married in October 1907 in Aston Birmingham

Hello everyone, just reading through the threads so much to take in....My mother and fathers marriage certificate says my father was divorced when they married.my mother seems to think that Philip married a girl called cathy in the late 60s she was having a baby and Philip said he would keep in touch with my father and let him know if the baby was a boy or girl but he never did mom tried to find Philip to let him know that dad had passed away but with no luck. In the early 90s there was a note left on dads grave saying sorry dad love Philip. Not sure what is first wife's name was, mom said dad called her Phil for short it could be Phyllis, Philippa or something similar. if that helps x

Me too!

:-)

Hello Ann ????

Thanks Prickles :-)

Think I'll leave this one till Ann comes back.

A PM from Ann last week........she told me that on her fathers marriage cert to Violet M Tyler in 1962.......it stated that her father George H Ward was divorced.

Hopefully, Ann will return to answer some questions.

Are you in contact with any of George's siblings families?

This looks like his brother Leonard in 1939



1939 Register, in association with The National Archive
Emily M Ward on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Ward Household (4 People)
90 Morath Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
Leonard Ward
DOB 31 May 1908
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Labourer (Works Department)
MARITAL STATUS Married

Emily M Ward
DOB 03 Jan 1906
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Stones Cleaner
MARITAL STATUS Married

John Pootton

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

I do think that we need the poster to come back and answer some questions for us.

It would be helpful to know

Was George married to Philip's mother?

Was George a widower or divorced at the time of his second marriage?

Do you know where George's parents married?

Have you found either of them on census records before 1891?

Who were the witnesses at your parents' marriage?

It's not Mary.

That is the point I was trying to make. :-)

I don't think it is the one with parents William and Rosina.

Joseph A Ward in Peckham D9 .34
born 1868 Chelsea a hairdresser
Frances M
Dorothy R Ward 1899 (Dorothy Rosina Ward Camberwell 1899 V1d P886)

1901 Portsmouth D8>2
Joseph Ward Hair barber?
Dorothy 1890 London.

1911 Portsmouth
Joseph A Ward shopkeeper 45 born Chelsea married 11 years 1 child to marriage
Emma J Ward 45 Camberwell
William J ward 7.

1871 Josh has brother Francis William Ward 1864 he is also a hairdresser in Portsmouth in 1891/1901 D12 >10.

Maryb.

well it's not the Islington Harry Joshua as he is with wife at same address as previously

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
103 and 105 and 107 Newington Green Road, Islington, London, England

Harry Josiah Ward Head Married Male Draper Milliner Etc 42 1869 London Islington
Rosina Florence Ward Wife Married Female Assisting In The Business 38 1873 London Islington
Mildred Ellen Ward Daughter - Female Scholar 7 1904 London Islington
Harry Hutton Ward Son - Male - 4 1907 London Islington

Maybe a marriage for Harry Josiah but there's a missing female name

Josiah Harry Ward
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Halstead
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 576

Records on Page:
Name
Henry John Cook
Alice Maud Hunt
Josiah Harry Ward



EDIT

No matter, he's on the 1911 with his wife Alice Maud and their children.

I wondered about this one?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
105 & 107, 105, Newington Green Road, Islington, London, England


William H Ward Head Married Male 42 1839 Draper Thaxted, Essex, England
Elize Ward Wife Married Female 39 1842 - Haverhill, Suffolk, England Transcription
Harry Joshhua Ward Son Single Male 12 1869 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Leonard Ward Son Single Male 10 1871 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Frank Ward Son Single Male 8 1873 - Islington, Middlesex,

EDIT I thought it might be a possible given that the brother's name also features in Joshua's family BUT this looks like the birth for Harry and he is down as Josiah

Births Sep 1868 (>99%)

WARD Harry Josiah Islington 1b 330

but this one married 1901 Hackney I think