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I am not seeing a marriage for Joshua and Annie Elizabeth on the indexes for England and Wales. The 1911 census shows that they have been married 14 years. Given their birth years it is quite possible that either or both may have been married before and so not free to marry.

Given that Daley / Daly may have Irish origins, I wondered if Annie had been married before. I'm drawn to this

Joshua Ward
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep, 1899
Registration district: Lurgan, Ireland
Volume: 1
Page Number: 923
FHL Film Number: 101259
Records on Page:
Name
Ann Eliza Campbell
Martha Hardy
Joshua Ward
William Diamond
William Elliott
Sarah Louisa Doherty

It may be a complete red herring and that Joshua may not even have married the Annie Elizabeth Campbell but I can't pinpoint that Joshua on the 1901 Irish Census.

What does anyone else think please?

Has anyone been able to pinpoint Joshua or Annie on census prior to the 1901 please?

Hi Ann

I see on your tree on Ancestry, you have Joshua's parents as William and Rosina.

I think it's your tree??

You have this 1871 census......

Wm Ward in the 1871 England Census
Name: Wm Ward
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosina Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Petworth, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington

Household Members:

Wm Ward 43 (Ironmonger)
Rosina Ward 36
Francis W Ward 6
Josh Ward 3 >>>>> Jos'h on the image.....born Chelsea, Middlesex
Annie E Tull 24 Servant)

Rosina is actually Rosena

This is William and Rosena's marriage.....

William Ward in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Ward ......Occupation "Smith"
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Age: 28
Spouse: Rosena Sarah Tyrrell
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Aug 1858
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Ward
Spouse Father: John Tyrrell

Rosena died in 1876


Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)
Ward Rosena Sarah 42 Kensington 1a 13

William remarried.......

Possibly his second marriage......

??


Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
Ward William Kensington 1a 253
West Mary Ann Kensington 1a 253

William on the 1881 census.......

William Ward in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Ward
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary A.E. Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Petworth, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: No 3 Harrow Rd
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ironmonger & Furniture Dealer
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, North-East

Household Members:

William Ward 51
Mary A.E. Ward 23
Joseph A. Ward 14 Born Chelsea, Middlesex <<<<<<<<<<
Lillian W. Ward 3
Ada M. Ward
William Macdonald 24

The point I am trying to make is.........The "Jos'h who appears on the 1871 census, is actually Joseph A Ward.

??

Births Jun 1867 (>99%)
Ward Joseph Alfred Poplar 1c 706

Yes, I'm fine with that.

Have you found a marriage for Joshua and Annie Elizabeth please? There isn't one jumping out at me. I'm wondering if Annie had been married before and married Joshua using a different surname.

Have you found them on census records before they married please?

I think this one ?...

So which threads should we post replies on please?

Ann replied to a PM a bit early today. Unfortunately she is finding the boards/threads a little confusing, In this instance, she's inadvertantly posted in 2 different places - 3 if you count the Tracey Beard thread.

Have you found a marriage for George's parents please?

I have asked Ann to delete the thread ( no replies ) on Genealogy.

Do you know if your father's first marriage would have been in Birmingham?

Or where Philip might have been born?

I don't suppose you do, but if not, it's a needle in a haystack.
There are so many marriages for George / George H / George Henry Wards, and also so many births of Philip Wards.

So far I can't see a Philip with mother's maiden name the same as any of the wives of the Georges - at least not if he was born in the same place as they married..


EDIT:

Oh, and now I see others have said the same on the other threads.

Now 3 threads on this! See general

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1358265

1939 - George is single


Bull Household (3 People)
10/23 Florence Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England


FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
George H Ward
DOB 22 May 1910
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Labourer (Cardboard Box)
MARITAL STATUS Single

Herbert Bull
DOB 17 Feb 1873
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Window Cleaner
MARITAL STATUS Married

Annie E Ward
DOB 28 Jun 1871
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Widowed

Joshua died in 1937, registered June quarter

from freebmd ............

Deaths Jun 1937 (>99%)
Ward Joshua 68 Birmingham 6d 182

????

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Ward Harry Daley Birmingham 6d 414

use freebmd.org.uk to find births, marriages ad deaths after July 1 1837 ................. it's FREE to use, and it is where we all usually go to answer questions such as I don't know who my father married.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
49, Buckingham Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joshua Ward Head Married Male 33 1868 General Labourer London, Middlesex, England
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Annie Ward Wife Married Female 29 1872 - London, Middlesex, England
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Joshua Ward Son Single Male 1 1900 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1911

George Ward
Age in 1911: 10/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birmingham, Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
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County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 17 Back 69 Constitution Hill
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 18076
Household Members:
Name Age
Joshua Ward 40 b. Essex
Ann E Ward 39 b. Essex
Joshua Ward 11
Alfred Ward 8
Ann Elizebeth Ward 6
Leonard Ward 3
George Ward 10 months

Children all born Birmingham.

11 children born, 7 living, 4 had died married 14 years

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17 Back of 69 Constitution Hill Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joshua Ward Head Married Male General Labourer 40 1871 Stratford Essex
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Ann E Ward Wife Married Female - 39 1872 Stratford Essex
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Joshua Ward Son - Male School 11 1900 Birmingham C B
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Alfred Ward Son - Male School 8 1903 Birmingham C B
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Ann Elizabeth Ward Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Birmingham C B
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Leonard Ward Son - Male - 3 1908 Birmingham C B
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George Ward Son - Male - 0 1911 Birmingham C B

For our ref.

George Henry Ward
Birth Date: 22 May 1910
Date of Registration: Mar 1971
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 529

I am looking for my grandparents Joshua Ward 1868 and Ann Elizabeth Daley 1872, I was about 7 years old when my father George Henry Ward passed away 1910-1971.He never said much about his family so i just wanted to find out as much as I can about his parents and who my great grand parents where. Also my father married a woman and had a child called Philip Ward before he married my mother in 1962 Violet Tyler,not sure what his first wife's name was but i think Philip would of been born between 1940 and.1952 I think can anyone help please regards Ann