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as i see it, may well be wrong,
parents of the children
Edmund born 1866 Knuzel, married Margaret Whewell in 1888
he was living in Knuzden brook
his father was Edmund a mechanic
His parents Edmund born 1835 as aged 21 when he marries Sara Walsley in 1856
he is a mechanic
father was Edmund a machine broker
what d you think
maddie
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This is my lineage
John Howarth Head M 58 Wardle,
Sarah Howarth Wife F 50 Todmorden,
Alice Howarth Daughter F 25 Wardle,
Molly Howarth Daughter F 22 Wardle,
James Howarth Son M 15 Wardle,
John Howarth Son M 14 Spotland
Edmund Howarth Son M 7 Heap,<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Howarth Daughter F 3 Heap,
Hannah Howarth Daughter F 2 MOS Hea
Edmund Howarth
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name Edmund Howarth
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Heap, Lancashire, England
Registration District Bury
Residence Note Hartley Street
Gender Male
Age 7
Marital Status Unmarried
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1844
Birthplace Heap,
Page Number 29
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 2213 / 426
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
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How do you know that Edmund born 1844 was the father of the children in your opening post? Or that his wife was Margaret if you don't have her surname or have them on any census?
Start with facts you are sure of and work backwards- you have to be very methodical as there are a lot of Howarth families in the area with similar forenames.
How did you get back to Edmund, son of John and Sarah? We may be able to help
I'm not seeing a death for Edmund in 1929...
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Is this connected (1930 death)
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
HOWARTH, Edmund of Schofields House Buckley Mills, Rochdale, died 22nd June 1930 at the Infirmary Rochdale Administration London 21 July to Martha Alice Howarth and Robert Butterworth woolen spinner.
Relates to this death:
Deaths Jun 1930
Howarth Edmund (age) 66, Rochdale 8e 63
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Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WHEWELL Margaret HAWORTH Edmund Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel Preston CE38/4/33
Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 19 May 1888 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancs.
Edmund Haworth - 21, Weaver, bachelor, 14 Knuzden Brook
Margaret Whewell - 23, spinster, 40 Commercial Street
Groom's Father: Edmund Haworth, Mechanic
Bride's Father: William Whewell, Labourer
Witness: John William Thompson; Sarah Richmond
Married by banns by: Boulby Haslewood Vicar
Banns recorded for this Marriage
Register: Marriages 1887 - 1898, Page 17, Entry 33
Source: LDS Film 1470816
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1888 HOWARTH Alice Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/52/6
1890 HOWARTH Sarah Ellen Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/54/74
1894 HOWARTH Christopher Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/59/78
1896 HOWARTH Albert Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/62/17
1898 HOWARTH Charlotte Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/63/85
1901 HOWARTH James Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/67/22
1903 HOWARTH Bertha Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/69/89
1905 HOWARTH Edward Oswaldtwistle Preston WHEWELL OS/71/76
1911 GARNER Elsie Blackburn South Western Blackburn HOWARTH BSW/3/43
Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
1890 HOWARTH Sarah Ellen 0 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/32/1
1895 HOWARTH Christopher 0 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/35/7
1897 HOWARTH Albert 0 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/36/46
1901 HOWARTH James 0 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/39/60
1906 HOWARTH Edward 1 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/42/97
1901 [Ancestry also has them as Haworth in piece # 3919 - note spelling]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X92R-N68
Edmund Haworth Head M 34 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Margaret Haworth Wife F 36 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Alice Haworth Daughter F 12 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Charlotte Haworth Daughter F 2 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
James Haworth Son M 0 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOWARTH Alice GARNER Charles Knuzden, St Oswald Preston CE33/1/314
1911 [Search Garner in piece # 25059]
Charles Garner Alice abt 1885 location relation city, Lancashire
Alice Garner Charles abt 1889 location relation city, Lancashire
Elsie Garner Charles,Alice abt 1911 relation city, Lancashire
*** MADDIE ***
Could you confirm Edmund said 7 live births by 1911, not 8
Could you please post Alice Garner's 1911 census summarized immediately above
I don't have a sub, so I find details are a problem in 1911
Mark - it's always worth supplementing FreeBMD with a local index, if one is available - even if it's only to limit Blackburn RD deaths to those in the Oswaldtwistle subdistrict - see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
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Hi MGNv
sory 1911 census says 9 children born
3 living 6 died
1911 for ALICE
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Garner Head Married Male Cotton Weaver 26 1885 Halifax Yorkshire
Transcription
Alice Garner Wife Married Female Cotton Winder 22 1889 Oswaldtwistle Lanc
Transcription
Elsie Garner Daughter - Female - 0 1911 -
Transcription
Census details
First name(s) Alice
Last name Garner
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Occupation Cotton Winder
Age 22
Birth year 1889
Birth place Oswaldtwistle Lanc
Marriage year 1910
Years married 1
Address 283 Accrington Road Blackburn Lancashire
Parish Blackburn
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Blackburn
Registration district number 474
Enumeration district 33
District number -
Sub district Blackburn Northern
Sub district number 4
Census reference RG14PN25059 RG78PN1435 RD474 SD4 ED33 SN227
Piece number 25059
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) ALICE, CHARLES, ELSIE
Other household member last name GARNER
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
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baptisms for the Bury Howarths
John Howarth Male 45 1796 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Sarah Howarth Female 40 1801 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Martha Howarth Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Peggy Howarth Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Alice Howarth Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Molly Howarth Female 10 1831 Lancashire, England
Transcription
James Howarth Male 3 1838 Lancashire, England
Transcription
John Howarth Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England
Transcription
Census details
Family member first name JOHN, SARAH, PEGGY, MOLLY, MARTHA, ALICE, JAMES
Family member last name HOWARTH
First name(s) Molly
Last name Howarth
Gender Female
Age 10
Birth year 1831
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Street Smythy House
Parish or township Rochdale
City or borough Rochdale
Town Spotland
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Rochdale
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 551
Book number 6
Folio number 51
Page number 7
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain
Baptism: 27 Mar 1826 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Alice Howorth - daughter of John Howorth & Sarah
Abode: Marled Earth
Occupation: Weav'r.
Baptised by: Jas. Aspinall, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1827, Page 32, Entry 254
Source: LDS Family Search
7, Page 95, Entry 759
Source: LDS Family Search
Baptism: 27 Mar 1826 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Alice Howorth - daughter of John Howorth & Sarah
Abode: Marled Earth
Occupation: Weav'r.
Baptised by: Jas. Aspinall, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1827, Page 32, Entry 254
Source: LDS Family Search
Baptism: 17 Sep 1826 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Jas. Howorth - son of John Howorth & Sarah
Abode: Spotland
Occupation: Weav'r.
Baptised by: Jas. Aspinall, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1827, Page 95, Entry 759
Source: LDS Family Search
Baptism: 25 Sep 1836 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
John Howorth - [Child] of John Howorth & Sally
Abode: Bagslate
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: W. T. Hobson, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1836, Page 118, Entry 943
Source: LDS Film 1342496
no baptisms on http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ for Edmund, Sara and Hannah
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could this be your Edmund
Edmund Howarth
in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Edmund Howarth
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Howarth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Heap
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Heywood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 3950
Folio: 115
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Howarth 29
Martha Howarth 30
Elizth Ann Howarth 7
Anne Howarth 5
James Howarth 2
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1862
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HOWARTH Edmund HOLT Martha Bury, St.Paul Bury CE8/1/427
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Thanks Maddie - looks like Alice Garner ms Howarth whose 1911 you posted was the third survivor, and I've missed one non-survivor.
*** MARK ***
The Charlotte in your oprning post is unrelated to the mob in your "This is my lineage" post.
Could you please tell us who you *KNOW* you are related to
I'm proceeding under the assumption you're somehow related to Charlotte, rather than embarking on a one name study of Haworth.
1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q1JM-W6Z
Effectively Maddie's 14:56 26/2/16 post
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXV-4K46
Event Place Oswaldtwisle, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Knuzden Brook
Edmund Haworth Head M 45 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Alice Haworth Wife F 38 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ellen Haworth Daughter F 19 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sarah Haworth Daughter F 17 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Edmund Haworth Son M 14 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Christopher Haworth Son M 7 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
John William Haworth Son M 4 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Haworth Daughter F 2 M Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALMSLEY Sarah HOWORTH Edmund Blackburn, St Mary the Virgin (Blackburn Cathedral) Blackburn CE12/20/368
Marriage: 26 Oct 1856 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancs.
Edmund Howarth - 21 Mechanic Bachelor of Mary Ann St
Sarah Walmsley - (X), 20 Weaver Spinster of Revidge
Groom's Father: Edmund Howarth, Machine Broker
Bride's Father: Lawrence Walmsley, Weaver
Witness: John Howarth; Ellen Rushton
Married by Banns by: J. Rushton Vicar
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1857, Page 184, Entry 368
Source: LDS Film 1278819
[Revidge is now a northern suburb of Blackburn]
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GRIMSHAW Alice HAWORTH Edmund Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel Preston CE38/2/283
Marriage: 25 Feb 1873 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancs.
Edmund Haworth - 36, Mechanic, widower, Knuzden Brook, Oswaldtwistle
Alice Grimshaw - (X), 30, spinster, Crescent Terrace, Blackburn
Groom's Father: Edmund Haworth, Rope Maker
Bride's Father: Matthew Grimshaw, Printer
Witness: Christopher Haworth; Maria Walker, (X)
Married by certificate by: Boulby Haslewood
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1877, Page 142, Entry 283
Source: LDS Film 1470816
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1858q3 HOWARTH Jane Witton Blackburn WALMSLEY W/10/20 [Maybe, maybe not]
1860q2 HAWORTH John Blackburn Blackburn WALMSLEY B/85/26 [GRO p335]
1862 HAWORTH Ellen Blackburn Blackburn WALMSLEY B/95/4
1864 HAWORTH Sarah Blackburn Blackburn WALMSLEY B/105/78
1866 HAWORTH Edmund Oswaldtwistle Preston WALMSLEY OS/24/99
1873 HAWORTH Christopher Oswaldtwistle Preston GRIMSHAW OS/33/20
1877 HAWORTH John William Oswaldtwistle Preston GRIMSHAW OS/37/41
1881 HOWARTH Elizabeth Oswaldtwistle Preston GRIMSHAW OS/42/25
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXV-4NT9
Event Place Oswaldtwisle, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Whitecroft Estate
William Whewell Head M 52 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England - Earthenware Laborer
Alice Whewell Wife F 56 Catterall, Lancashire, England
Robert Whewell Son M 28 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Alfred Whewell Son M 19 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Margaret Whewell Daughter F 16 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
James Whewell Nephew M 4 Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WHEWELL William COLEBY Alice Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel Preston CE38/1/95
Marriage: 11 Feb 1850 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancs.
William Whewell - (X), full, Labourer, bachelor, Bold V?
Alice Coleby - (X), full, Weaver, spinster, Broughton Barn
Groom's Father: James Whewell, Farmer
Bride's Father: Robert Coleby, Labourer
Witness: Edmund Taylor, (X); Ellen Whewell, (X)
Married by banns by: Henry Kitton
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1865, Page 48, Entry 95
Source: LDS Film 1470816
I don't know relevance, but Wm is a witness on the next marr:
Marriage: 1 Apr 1850 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancs.
Walmsley Chambers - (X), 19, Carter, bachelor, Rhoden
Jane Sefton - (X), 19, spinster, Nook
Groom's Father: William Chambers, Farmer
Bride's Father: Thomas Sefton, deceased, Farmer
Witness: William Whewell, (X); Ann Chambers, (X)
Married by banns by: William H. Tatam
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1865, Page 48, Entry 96
Source: LDS Film 1470816
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1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN9-6MW
Event Place Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Edmund Haworth Head M 35 Blackburn, Lancashire - Mechanic To Mill
Sarah Haworth Wife F 34 Blackburn, Lancashire
Jane Haworth Daughter F 12 Blackburn, Lancashire
John Haworth Son M 10 Blackburn, Lancashire
Ellen Haworth Daughter F 9 Blackburn, Lancashire
Sarah Haworth Daughter F 7 Blackburn, Lancashire
Edmund Haworth Son M 4 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1872[q1]
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
HAWORTH Sarah 36 Oswaldtwistle Preston OS/17/78
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN9-WGR
William Whewell Head M 40 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire - [Farmer]
Alice Whewell Wife F 43 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Robert Whewell Son M 18 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
James Whewell Son M 16 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Alice Whewell Daughter F 12 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Alfred Whewell Son M 9 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Margaret Whewell Daughter F 1 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1850 WHEWELL James Oswaldtwistle Preston COLEBY OS/9/84
1852 WHEWELL Robert Oswaldtwistle Preston COLEBY OS/11/29
1854 WHEWELL James Oswaldtwistle Preston COLEBY OS/13/23
1857 WHEWELL John Oswaldtwistle Preston COLEBY OS/15/36
1858 WHEWELL Alice Oswaldtwistle Preston COLEBY OS/16/85
1861 WHEWELL Alfred Oswaldtwistle Preston COLBY OS/19/82
1864 WHEWELL Margaret Oswaldtwistle Preston COLBY OS/22/97
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7PV-WCB
Event Place Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Paul
Residence Note Joseph Street
Edward Howarth Head M 25 Blackburn, Lancashire [Mechanic]
Sarah Howarth Wife F 24 Blackburn, Lancashire
Jane Howarth Daughter F 2 Blackburn, Lancashire
John Howarth Son M 11M Blackburn, Lancashire
[I was wondering if Edmund would ever appear as Edward]
Baptism: 18 Jul 1858 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancs.
Jane Haworth - [Child] of Edward Haworth & Sarah
Born: 29 Jun 1858
Abode: Bedlam Brow
Occupation: Mechanic
Baptised by: R. H. Hart, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1859, Page 675, Entry 5400
Source: LDS Film 1278805
Baptism: 16 Sep 1860 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancs.
John Haworth - [Child] of Edmond Haworth & Sarah
Born: 12 May 1860
Abode: Revidge
Occupation: Moulder
Baptised by: H. Wescoe Curate
Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1864, Page 236, Entry 1885
Source: LDS Film 1278805
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M75C-6GG
Event Place Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Red Shell Lane
William Pattwell Head M 34 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Alisa Pattwell Wife F 39 Preston, Lancashire
Robert Pattwell Son M 9 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
James Pattwell Son M 6 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
Alice Pattwell Daughter F 2 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
[I've no idea how FS/FMP transcribed them as Pattwell - Ancestry has wife as Alice Whewell - I had to look up by census ref on FMP to get the name
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 3107 / 95 Page Number 17 ]
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVF-G45H
William Whewell Head M 24 Oswaldtwistle, [Brick Maker]
Alice Whewell Wife F 28 Hingle White, Lancashire [HLW - Silk]
James Whewell Son M 8 MOS ,
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