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I now think Lincoln House was the name of the property of 104 Pottergate the home of Mr Helsdon and the (a school in Norwich --probally refers where Howard was previously educated.

Perhpas Mr&Mrs Helsdon were a kind of foster parents,?

Nellie/Irene may have re-invented herself and assumed another full name altogether.?

The King Edward Schools.

The one in Whitley Surrey is where a relative went in 1908 but not a rich boarder but from an orphanage in the Paddington area, pupils were given a good education and well looked after,having spoke to a past house master a few years ago,pupils were taken from aged 8 and as no background is known they mostly all got baptised in the school chapel.they were found employment and given over to a carer,till they (boys) were given over to the navy,other King Edwards were released to the army.
The Surrey school is still going today,with many paid boarders from outside UK.a lovley school which we have visited,but a world away from those times.

Some school grounds have different *houses* for lesser aged pupils so St Michaels may have been just that.a junior part?

oh they also did they same for girls making them -proper-for sewing.laundry.or other...
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Juliet- not sure if you saw, but Gins asked if you had Nellie's birth certificate? Her exact DOB could help in tracing her.

Where did you find the St. Michael's College reference? Is there any information about when he went there or when he first entered Kind Edward VI School in Norwich?

Also, this Lincoln House... How did you know it was a school? Can't seem to find any references to this (obviously not a skilled geneologist!!!).

You have all been amazing. Don't know how you do it but am so deeply grateful. This has been so illuminating and my family is really touched by your generosity.

Juliet

Those school admissions have already been posted/mentioned

I posted the 1939 reg for 'Helsdon', page 2


Edit: no problem

Here it is AustinQ.


National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription
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First name(s) Harold Royston
Last name Ranyell
Birth year 1903
Birth date 26 Sep 1903
Event year 1913
School name King Edward VI Grammar School, Bury St Edmunds
Town Bury St Edmunds
County Suffolk
Country England
Parent name(s) Mrs Ranyell
Book type Admissions
Archive reference GD502/32

Last school was St Michael's College.



and the year after.



National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription
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First name(s) Harold
Last name Ranyell
Birth year 1903
Birth date 26 Sep 1903
Event year 1914
School name Model Boys School
Town Norwich
County Norfolk
Country England
Parent or Guardian name(s) Mr Helsdon
Book type Admissions
Archive reference N_ED_8_19
Folio / page no. -
Archive Norfolk Record Office


Who is Mr Helsdon of 104 Pottergate Street?


EDIT Sorry Shirley, see you've already posted these and Gins, you found Mr Helsdon.

What year is that Kay?

another little gem,


Harolds entry to King Edward school.

Parent------Mrs Ranyell---address ---

Lincoln House
104 Pottersgate Street
Norwich,
(a school in Norwich)

did she become a a school nurse//matron.?

Juliet

Have you got her birth certificate with her full DOB?

It 'might' help if we had these details

one more into the mix for man above.

1891.
Relationship Shopman
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 24
Birth year 1867
Occupation ***Drapers Assistant***
Birth town Boston
Birth town as transcribed BOSTON
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
Street Sloane Street
Town -
Parish Chelsea
City -
County London
Registration district Chelsea
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 62
Folio 64
Page 30
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain.

Edward died 1967 in Sheringham Norfolk aged 99,,his estate £22,562 went to Charles Edward,(son)a contracts furnishing advisor.

First name(s) Edward
Last name Ranyell
Relationship Boarder
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 31
Birth year 1870
Occupation ***Curtain Designer**
Birth town Boston
Birth town as transcribed BOSTON
Birth county Lincolnshire
Birth county as transcribed LINCOLNSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) ARTHUR, AMY, EDNA, FLORENCE, EDWARD
Other household member last name BURFORD, HOLDERNESS, RANYELL
Street Pennard Road
Town -
Parish Hammersmith
City -
Country England
County London
Municipal ward 4
Registration district Fulham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 42
Folio 145
Page 23
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain.

A relation? curtains is drapery.

I belive he married in London.


1911,

Edward
Last name Ranyell
Relationship Head
Marital status Am
Sex Male
Occupation House Furnisher Mancock
Age 42
Birth year 1869
Birth place Lincolnshire Boston
Address 34 Whitefriars Crescent Westcliff Hinton
Parish Prittlewell
County Essex
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Rochford
Registration district number 195
Enumeration district 12
District number -
Sub district Prittlewell
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN10124 RG78PN533A RD195 SD2 ED12 SN123
Piece number 10124
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) CHARLES, EDWARD, ISABEL, MAUD
Other household member last name RANYELL, WEBB
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain.

1939 register,

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Edward Ranyell 29 Jul 1867 Decorative Artist (Designer)
Elizabeth Ranyell 04 May 1878 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Elizabeths name is corrected to Isabel.

so there maybe Ranyell relations about that could have known Nellie in the family.?

1901,

Maud
Last name Ranyell
Relationship Lodger
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 26
Birth year 1875
Occupation ***Drapers Assistant***
Birth town Clapham
Birth town as transcribed CLAPHAM
Birth county Surrey
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) MAUD
Other household member last name RANYELL
Street Claribel Street
Town -
Parish Toxteth Park
City -
Country England
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Princes Park
Registration district Toxteth Park
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3434
Folio 88
Page 29
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census.

Ernest relates NOK WW1 as ,Elizabeth mother-Laura,and Lily --Lily could be Lavina Ada.?as per 1901 family in London.
Category

On the 1939 register doesn't appear to be the right woman

Nellie Ranwell 28 Oct 1883 Voluntary Helper Of Evacuees L C C 192
SEX Female MARITAL STATUS Married

Edit ties up with AustinQ's edit

The midwives rolls are not available on line at the National Archives but you can request copies:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6488

Leaflet that may be of interest:
https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/library-services/heritage/rcm-genealogy.pdf

ELIZA
Last name RANYELL
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1852
Age 83
Death quarter 2
Death year 1935
District CAMBERWELL
County London
Volume 1D
Page 686
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

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Nellies mothers death?

Would the informant throw anything up.?

1939 Ernest her brother was a patient in a hosptial for possibly the nervous condition he was discharged for from the army. WW1.

Just looking at the death that Kay put up-

This could be that Nellie on the 1939 register, but I don't have access. Could someone see if there's an occupation listed for Nellie and what her marital status is?:

Edith Benman 1885 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire
Sarah J Miles 1865 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire
Nellie Ranwell 1883 Wokingham R.D. Berkshire
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The probate Calandar doesn't make her marital status clear.

Name: Nellie Ranwell
Probate Date: 7 Mar 1966
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 28 Nov 1965
Death Place: London, England

Of 88 The Ridgeway, Chingford ...died 28 November 1965 at St. Michael's Hospital, Enfield...to Muriel Janet De Waele, married woman and Mary Nation, spinster £22728
--------------------------------------------

EDIT: SCRAP THIS ONE- this is her marriage:

Marriages Jun 1920

Blenman Nellie Ranwell Hackney 1b 1271
Ranwell Frederick Blenman Hackney 1b 1271

out of interest, this might be the child that Nellie nursed for the Begum

I found it by googling the Begum of Manavadar ..........

http://www.royalark.net/India2/manava3.htm

1888 - 1918 Khan Shri Fateh ud-din Khanji Ghazanfar Khanji Babi, Khan Sahib of Bantva-Manavadar. ............................ m. (second) at Mangrol, 8th December 1910, Fatima Siddiqa Begum Sahiba, KIH Gold Medal (2.6.1923) (b. at Mangrol, 23rd March 1891; d. at Manavadar, 5th May 1943), Administrator of Manavadar during the minority of her eldest son from 19th October 1918 to 12th November 1931, her model administration and efforts towards providing free health and education securing promotion to the status of a second class state, rcvd: Silver Jubilee (1935) and Coron (1937) medal ..................... He d. during the great influenza epidemic, at Zorawarbagh Palace, Manavadar, 19th October 1918, having had issue, two sons and four daughters:

3. Sahibzadi Bima Shri Ismat Jahan Bakhte [Kulsum Begum Sahiba]. b. at Manavadar, 12th December 1915 (d/o Fatima Siddiqa). m. at Zorawarbagh Palace, Manavadar, 25th April 1940, Meherban Shaikh Shri Shaikh Muhammad Nasir ud-din Mian Sahib Bahadur, Shaikh Sahib of Mangrol (b. at Kurwai, 9th August 1916; d. at Karachi, Pakistan, 15th January 1991), eldest son of Meherban Shaikh Shri Shaikh Muhammad 'Abdu'l Khaliq I [Dada Bapu Mian] Sahib Bahadur, Shaikh Sahib of Mangrol, by his first wife, Ahmed Zaman Begum Sahiba, the eldest daughter of Mushfiq Meherban-i-Dostan Nawab Muhammad Yaqub 'Ali Khan, Nawab of Kurwai. She d. at Karachi, Pakistan, 2nd March 2005, having had issue, one son and four daughters - see India Non-Salute (Mangrol).


The mother of 5 of the 6 children was Fatima ....... but no 3 was born 12th December 1915, which fits the dates that Nellie was there

Maybe not but worth a putting incase the death cert wants to be sent for.year of birth is a little out.


First name(s) NELLIE
Last name RANWELL
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1883
Age 82
Death quarter 4
Death year 1965
District ENFIELD
County Middlesex
Volume 5B
Page 307
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britating here.

Thanks AustinQ, it's taken us a wee bit further forward but I can't see anything else about her :-S :-S

It's a great find alviegal :-)

She's also listed as N Ranyell when training in 1907. So presumeably info re her career will be listed under Nellie.

Found this on http://www.familyrelatives.com/search/data_medical_register_midwives.php?page=13362&fn&order=desc&ofield=n

RANYELL Nellie 1920 Midwives Roll 1920

Can't access what it says though, I'm afraid.