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this is all very interesting will need to look more in to all this......thanks everone.

Barry x
:-)

Barry ............

I'm not sure that much of it does make sense as of now.

There are a lot of discrepancies ......... for example, the Samuel who died in 1877 was described as age 46 in the newspaper report of the coroner's inquest. Yet the only death and burial that year are for a Samuel age 60


Hopefully, we can sort it out for you!

thanks everyone theirs a lot to read through and make sense off

:-)

I've got to the end of the first page of 3 of records indexed only by surname on the Lincolnshire, Parish Registers Surname Search, 1695-1911 on FMP, and have to give up .............. there are some little gems especially for the baptisms, but Pratt is quite a common name in Deeping St James, and I'm getting too tired to continue!


I'll continue tomorrow (Sunday), if no-one else has done anymore.

Lincolnshire, Parish Registers Surname Search, 1695-1911

Pratt
1844
Deeping St James
Baptisms

John Pratt son of Samuel and aroline, baptised October 20 1844, Samuel occupation Labourer. There are 3 names written quite faintly above the surname, as does every other birth on 2 pages.

I think they might be the names of the Godparents ...... and if so, might confirm the marriage of Sarah Pratt widow of John Pratt to Joseph Tyler, and thus be 1 tiny conformation of the parentage of Samuel

The names are, I think ............

Joseph Tyler, John Spires or Shires? and Cathr Smith


Pratt
1845
Deeping St James
Burials

John Pratt, Infant, buried April 20 1845


Pratt
1846
Deeping St James
Baptisms

John Pratt, son of Samuel and Caroline, baptised May 6 1846, Father Labourer

Names again written in, but very faint, and I can only make out a surname Pratt for one of the 2 men and Cath Smith


Pratt
1848
Deeping St James
Baptisms

George Pratt, son of Samuel and Caroline, baptised Oct 8 1848, Father Labourer.

Names written in are David Smith, Saml Pratt and Mary Ann Smith


Pratt
1855
Deeping St James
Burials

Caroline Pratt, buried November 16, age 30

Re the marriage of John Pratt and Sarah Smith in 1820, posted earlier ...........

FMP has the actual Parish registers.

Lincolnshire, Parish Registers Surname Search, 1695-1911

The image shows that John was of the Parish of Deeping Fen, and was a Bachelor.

He signed his name. Sarah made her mark.

The witnesses were A Mossop (???) and John Kimberley .......

.... John Kimberley appeared to be a "professional" witness, and A Mossop had the same surname as the Curate, so neither was an apparent relation of either bride or groom

This looks to be the baptism record for the Samuel buried in 1877 age 60 ...........

County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 352
Baptism date 10 Sep 1818
Person forename Saml
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James
Father forename Wm
Father surname SPRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Eliz

Well, this burial does NOT match the age given in the report in the paper of the inquest on Samuel Pratt, even though it occurs 2 days after the report of the inquest

is it the same guy or another one???

County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 205
Burial date 22 Sep 1877
Person age 60
Burial person forename Samuel
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode Deeping Gate Maxey
Notes J George Vicar

In case this is the John Pratt who is shown to be the father of George, and in case George is indeed the brother of Samuel ...................


possible burial for John Pratt????

County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 504
Burial date 12 Dec 1826
Person age 30
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname PRATT
Burial person abode Deeping St James


???? marriage for John Pratt

County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 96
Marriage date 20 Aug 1820
Groom forename John
Groom surname PRATT
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom parish Deeping St James Fen
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname SMITH
Bride condition Spinster
Bride parish Deeping St James St James
Witness1 forename A.
Witness1 surname NAPEN?
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname KIMBERLEY
Notes Married by Banns. Officiating clergyman was Rev J MOSSOP Curate

??? The 3rd marriage ......

Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)

Haywood Sarah Bourn 7a 499
Pratt George Bourn 7a 499

George with his first wife in 1851

1851 Census

Name: George Pratt
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: St Jas Deeping, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Deeping St James
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Corby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a

Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 2095
Folio: 731
Page Number: 60

George Pratt 28 Ag Lab
Harriet Pratt 28
William Pratt 3

no street address shown


and then it looks as though he married a third time .........

1881 Census

Name: George Pratt
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: Deeping, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration district: Bourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Piece: 3199
Folio: 46
Page Number: 21

George Pratt 60
Sarah Pratt 51
Saml. Pratt 8 Son

no street address shown

There is one George Pratt living in Deeping St James in 1871 .............

1871 Census

Name: George Pratt
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Deeping St James
Town: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 3317
Folio: 40
Page Number: 8

George Pratt 49 Widower, Ag Lab
William Pratt 24 Ag Lab
John Pratt 16 General Servant
Mary A Pratt 13
Felice Pratt 11

Address:- Town Street


He was married to a Sophia ..........

1861 Census

Name: George Pratt
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia Pratt
Gender: Male
Where born: Deeping St Jas, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 2319
Folio: 50
Page Number: 24

George Pratt 39 Ag Lab
Sophia Pratt 29
William Pratt 13
George Pratt 6
John Pratt 5
Mary A Pratt 3
Phoebe Pratt 1

Address:- Town Street



His marriage to Sophia ............

Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 25 Dec 1852
Groom forename George
Groom surname PRATT
Bride forename Sophia
Bride surname PALMER
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname PRATT
Bride father forename Philip
Bride father surname PALMER
Notes


but that looks like his second marriage .............

County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 07 Sep 1846
Groom forename George
Groom surname PRATT
Bride forename Harriet
Bride surname SMITH
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname PRATT
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname SMITH
Notes



IF this is Samuel's brother, then it looks like father was called John

maybe samuel did not know how old he was

if it was me i'd buy the marriage cert there might be more info on it

safc ..............

nice find,

although he did say he was a Minor on his marriage to Caroline in 1844, and that baptism in 1818 would have meant he was well over 21

more on the article re the death of a Samuel Pratt first posted by DET

This is from FMP ..........

iKprsev.—Uu Wednesday, the met., Mrs. Fowler's, the Crane inn. was held Ix-luro Mr. Selby. J. coroner, on view of the body Samuel Pratt, labourer, who died suddenly the field previous day. His brother, Pratt, that and deceased were working together the farm
25 September 1877 - Lincolnshire Free Press -

The farm was owned by Mr Wm Bullimore, Stow Gate, Deeping St Nicholas, and Pratt is described by the doctor as an unhealthy-looking man who had had typhoid fever 2 years prior that had laid him low for 3 months.

His brother was called George Pratt (it's missing from the precis above)


I don't know whether it is possible for someone without a sub to see the actual image from this link .........

http://search.findmypast.com.au/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001077%2f18770925%2f056


It is the last paragraph that was interesting .........

It was stated that the jury returned their fee to the widow.

then it says ...........

Deceased was 46 years of age. It will be remembered that about two years ago, we recorded the death of John Wright by falling from a haystack on Mr Bullimore's farm, dislocating his shoulder. He was the first husband of the now second time unfortunate widowed woman.


age 46 gives a birth date of ca 1821 ............... which doesn't square with Samuel being a Minor on his marriage to Caroline?? <<<<<<<<<<< OOPS

EDIT:-

1877 - 46 = 1831, not 1821.

This guy would be too young to have married in 1844, when he would have been only 13 or 14 years old!


So this is NOT the Samuel we've been looking for, unless the age reported is wrong.

????
a bit older

FreeReg Baptism entry on 10 Apr 2016
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Field Value
County Lincolnshire
Place Deeping St James
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 352
Baptism date 10 Sep 1818
Person forename Saml
Person sex M
Person abode Deeping St James
Father forename Wm
Father surname SPRATT
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Eliz

night night

sleep tight

it's not even dinner time here :-)

I wouldn't be surprised. I'm too tired to look at the moment- going to bed!

Oh, but just wanted to add, the William Smith on the 1841 in Carlby, - looking at the image I think he's with Henry Longfoot, not the Dyes.

I'll probably check back in the morning- night

I can't find a baptism for a Samuel Pratt, Spratt or Bratt!

Did Caroline lie about her age???

We know from the marriage on FreeReg that Samuel was a Minor and she was Of Full Age

This is the only Caroline Smith baptism in Carlby between 1815 and 1828


County Lincolnshire
Place Carlby
Church name St Stephen
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 43
Baptism date 10 May 1818
Person forename Caroline
Person sex F
Person abode Carlby
Father forename William
Father surname SMITH
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth