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Curiously the twins are registered on different pages:
Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Kent Mary E Barnes Birmingham 6d 278
Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Kent John H Barnes Birmingham 6d 277
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Not so very unusual Margaret - If one was the last entry on the page then the other would be the first on the next page.
Also, the fact that Mary Ellen's birth cert shows a time of birth also seems to show that she was one of twins - the times were added in case of inheritance disputes.
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Mary Ellen & John Henry (?) Kent (Twins) born birmingham UK 16/06/1911
the twins can not be on the 1911 census as the census was taken
1911 Census of England and Wales was taken on the night of Sunday, 2 April 1911.
on the 1901 census mary and john are not twins and they are johns and his first wife children
the 1921 census has not been released yet
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The twins wouldn't appear on electoral registers in 1921 as they weren't old enough to vote.
John and Maria appear together on Electoral registers in 1920 at 6 Clifton Grove, Bellbarn Road. 1922 Maria appears alone. I suspect this is John's death in 1921:
Death:
First name(s) JOHN
Last name KENT
Gender Male
Birth year 1862
Age 59
Death quarter 1
Death year 1921
District KINGS NORTON
County Worcestershire
Volume 6D Page 92
Country England
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The 1901 census at Blythe street appears to be the correct couple- the children on that census are John's children from his first wife Mary. (John Anthony and Mary Alice). If you read through this thread all the information is there.
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I think I am getting the hang of it now ( yeh right who are you fooling).
Now I have the following questions :
1) What happened to Mary Alice Kent 1886, last shown on the 1901 census as apprentice dressmaker ?
2) John Anthony (Eaton) Kent, is this him getting married 1914 to Mary Mead 21.10.1914 in Cambridge ? brides fathers name Job Mead, grooms fathers name Henry Kent ???
3) The Grundy family shown on both the 1881 & 1901 census how are they related to Mary Kent (nee. Eaton) ?
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answer to q.3- Jane Grundy (wife of George) on 1881 & 1901 census was Mary Eaton's sister.
This is her marriage:
Name: George Grundy
Gender: Male
Father's name: Thomas Grundy
Spouse's Name: Jane Eaton
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: Anthony Eaton
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1873
Marriage Place: Longton, Staffordshire, England
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question 2- don't think that's the correct marriage- John Anthony (Eaton) Kent's father was John (not Henry).- Also on passenger list in 1924 form Southampton to Venezula he is listed as single.
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Re question 1: In an earlier post on this thread you wrote:
"...family legend says "Johnny & Tolly" who where sent away (USA ? )when the mum died and then dad remarried..."
John Anthony did indeed travel to the US- Perhaps Mary did too? I have an Aunt Mary that is known to us as Polly, which I understand is not uncommon (especially in Scotland?) do you think that 'Tolly' is perhaps Polly (Mary Alice)?
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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) JOHN
Last name EATON-KENT
Gender Male
Age 36
Birth year 1888
Occupation RANCHER
Departure year 1924
Departure day 5
Departure month 4
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name AQUITANIA
Ship official number 135583
Ship master's first name J T W
Ship master's last name CHARLES
Ship master's title SIR
Shipping line CUNARD
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship registered tonnage 21466
Number of passengers 573
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
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Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Dotzauer Anna C H Kent Marylebone 1a 1397
Kent John A E Dotzauer Marylebone 1a 1397
Kent John A E Vetter Marylebone 1a 1397
Nurse Annie L Waring Marylebone 1a 1397
Nurse Leonora Waring Marylebone 1a 1397
Vetter Anna G H Kent Marylebone 1a 1397
Waring Francis Nurse Marylebone 1a 1397
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SAFC.
Sorry what is this ?
Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Dotzauer Anna C H Kent Marylebone 1a 1397
Kent John A E Dotzauer Marylebone 1a 1397
Kent John A E Vetter Marylebone 1a 1397
Nurse Annie L Waring Marylebone 1a 1397
Nurse Leonora Waring Marylebone 1a 1397
Vetter Anna G H Kent Marylebone 1a 1397
Waring Francis Nurse Marylebone 1a 1397
Are these marriages ? so John Anthony didn't leave to go to new York in 1924 ? or he did and he returned ?
I'm no further forward with Mary Alice Eaton-Kent ? cant find a death a marriage a passaenger list, what do I try next ?
Ali
flip, I'm confused, again,
Ali
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Yes, it's a possible marriage for John Anthony to Anna in 1925- I think it's possible he did return to the UK to marry (but you would need the marriage certificate to confirm it is him).
Looks like he continued travelling after the marriage- he's listed below in 1929, travelling with an Anna G Kent- she's a bit older than him:
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: John A eaton Kent
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 40
Profession: Vice Consul
Last country of permanent residence: Venesuela
Port of Departure: Port Limón, Costa Rica
Arrival Date: 8 May 1929
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ship Name: Orinoco
Shipping line: Hamburg-American Line
Official Number: 7067
travelling with Anna G Kent 55
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Can anybody tell me how I export/save documents from the keepsafe etc to my Pc ?
Thanks everybody who is helping.
Ali MPW
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Following Ellen Barnes (1876) back, using links from
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd when appropriae
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874 [rego'ed q2]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BARNES Ann Maria Altrincham Trafford ALT/40/86
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1876 [q2]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BARNES Ellen Altrincham Trafford ALT/44/54
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1877 [q4]
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BARNES George Henry Altrincham Trafford ALT/47/34
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX6-BVTM
Event Date 1881
Event Place Hale, Cheshire, England
Registration District Altrincham
Residence Note Peel Causeway
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 3505/130 Page Number 4
Henry Barnes Head M 39 Wiltshire, England [Coachman (D)]
Ellen Barnes Wife F 35 Denbighshire, Wales
Ann M Barnes Daughter F 6 Cheshire, England
Ellen Barnes Daughter F 5 Cheshire, England
George Hy Barnes Son M 3 Cheshire, England
William Hood Lodger M 44 Derbyshire, England
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXL-J6S
Event Place Hale, Cheshire, England
Elizabeth L Reid Head F 64 Edinburgh, Scotland
Isabella L Reid Daughter F 26 Spitalfields, Middlesex
Ann Hughes Servant F 40 Colwyn, Caernarvonshire
Sarah B Winn Servant F 20 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Henry Barnes Servant M 27 Ashton, Wiltshire [Groom]
[Registration Number RG10 Piece/Folio 3684/105 Page Number 25]
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872 [q4]
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARNES Henry HUGHES Ellen Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/192/84
[The image is on Ancestry]
Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
BARNES Ellen 36 Altrincham Trafford ALT/33/61
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7J6-DWX
Event Place Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
Registration District Cricklade
Residence Note Turnpike Road
Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 1274 / 7 Page Number 7
George Barnes Head M 55 Oaksey, Wiltshire [Agricultural Labourer]
Ann W Barnes Wife F 54 Sapperton, Gloucestershire
Henry Barnes Son M 19 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire [Groom]
Thomas Barnes Son M 14 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Hannah Barnes Daughter F 8 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVZ-TDF6
Event Place Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
Registration District Cricklade
Residence Note High Street
Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 1834 / 390 Page Number 16
George Barnes Head M 42 Oaksey, Wiltshire [Groom]
Ann Barnes Wife F 40 Sapperton, Gloucestershire
John Barnes Son M 15 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
William Barnes Son M 12 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Henry Barnes Son M 9 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Ann Barnes Daughter F 6 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Thomas Barnes Son M 4 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Ashton Keynes http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2388149
Subject Location OSGB36: SU 041 943 [100m precision]
Oaksey http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4108889
Subject Location OSGB36: ST 990 936 [100m precision]
Sapperton http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1133624
Subject Location OSGB36: SO 947 034 [100m precision]
The blue grid lines on geograph's inset map are 1 km apart.
We're at the corners of 4 100 x 100 km sqs, viz
SO SP
ST SU
Oaksey & Ashton Keynes have almost the same northing, so Oaksey is 5.1 km E of Ashton Keynes.
Sapperton is 9.4 km E and 7.1 km N of Ashton Keynes (i.e., 11.8 km - roughly NE of Ashton Keynes)
[At http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ one can look up SU 041943 (no gap in #) - it puts you on a street map, but zooming out to levels 4 or 3 is usually more helpful)
NB At zoom level 1, PW is a Place of Worship.
Maybe:
Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
Barnes Richard Cricklade &c 8 326
Births Jun 1845 (>99%)
BARNES Ann Cricklade &c 8 309
Births Dec 1846 (>99%)
BARNES Tom Cricklade &c 8 309
There are also these possibilities for Wm, & Hy:
Births Sep 1837 (>99%)
Barnes Male Cricklade 8 224
Births Mar 1838 (>99%)
Barnes Male Cricklade 8 304
Births Mar 1842 (>99%)
BARNES Male Cricklade 8 306
Births Jun 1842 (>99%)
Barnes Male Cricklade 8 314
1841 Census
Piece: HO107/1178/1 Place: Highworth -Wiltshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Ashton Keynes Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 8 Page: 11
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BARNES George M 30 Servant Wiltshire
BARNES Ann F 30 Wiltshire
BARNES George M 7 Wiltshire
BARNES John M 5 Wiltshire
BARNES William M 3 Wiltshire
BARNES Richard M 1 Wiltshire
[In 1841, ages 15+ were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5 on all UK censuses]
1871 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNT-YGC
Event Place Ashton Keynes, Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/1886/0022
George Barnes Head M 63 Oaksey, Wiltshire [Gardner]
Ann Barnes Wife F 64 Sapperton, Wiltshire
William Barnes Son M 31 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Tom Barnes Son M 23 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Hannah Barnes Daughter F 17 Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire
Isaac Beams Boarder M 23 Dennampney, Gloucestershire
[Registration Number RG10 Piece/Folio 1886/11 Page Number 13]
Maybe:
Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
BARNES George 64 Cricklade 5a 22
Deaths Mar 1888 (>99%)
BARNES Ann 75 Cricklade 5a 33
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX7-JD72
Event Place Ashton-Keynes, Wiltshire, England
Registration District Cricklade
Residence Note Turnpike Road
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 2023/5 Page Number 4
Ann Barnes Head F 70 Sapperton, Gloucestershire, England [widow]
Arthur Hamlin Lodger M 20 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England [Groom]
Seymour Cove Lodger M 19 Somerford Keynes, Wiltshire, England [Groom]
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"....export/save documents from the keepsafe etc to my Pc ?"
Open your Keepsafe.
Hover your curser over the image etc.& right-click
Select 'Save image as' and choose a location.
Alternatively right-click & select 'copy image' then paste where you choose.
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