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10 May 2016 14:28 |
Curious when Mary Spooner died - at 42 she was left with 2 kids under 4 and a 11yo. Not sure when Maggie, Vi and Peter came out to Australia. On a visit to the UK in the 90's i did manage to catch up with a relative in Sheffield and relying on memory now but i think there was some ill-feeling that the kids had gone.
I met my Aunty Ev in Sydney in Balmain about 35 years ago. I thought she was about 90, so that fits, just a bit less than 90. She was very short, similar to Aunty Maggie, whereas Aunty Vi and Nana were much taller. Most surprising to me is that i was in my late teens with a couple of mates (doing a 'roadie' exploring parts of Australia) and while i knew she was blind and had called to say we would be coming some weeks before, we were warmly welcomed in for a cup of tea. I nearly had kittens when she lit the gas stove up and put her hand over the flames to see if it was on! She lived alone and seemed happy and independent and a good lesson to us young blokes with great admiration for her. Also somewhere i have seen a photo of her with my Uncle during WW2 when he was in Port.
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10 May 2016 14:05 |
thank you all, that's fantastic and lots of detail for me to digest and record. I love when you can piece together the story from the records - more than words you try to walk in their shoes.
As i worked down your detail Holly, i am glad that Mabel and Eveline turned up in 1911 - Mabel looks like she was at grandparents house but I wondered why she was 'visitor' rather than grand-daughter. Perhaps that was a convention to say she didn't usually live there.
Can't wait to get on Google street view and see if i can check out some of these addresses. Have looked at Bolehill Road before.
Is Cow Keeper the same as dairyman? And what is a Wine Drawer? I noticed the word Yoeman - same as Yeoman?
yeo·man (yo'm?n) n. 1. a. An attendant, servant, or lesser official in a royal or noble household. b. A yeoman of the guard. 2. A petty officer performing chiefly clerical duties in the US Navy. 3. An assistant or other subordinate, as of a sheriff. 4. A diligent, dependable worker. 5. A farmer who cultivates his own land, especially a member of a former class of small freeholders in England. [Middle English yeman, yoman, perhaps contraction of yong man, young man (yong, young; see young + man, man; see man), or from Old English *geaman (from or akin to Old Frisian gaman, villager : ga, region, district + man, man; see man- in Indo-European roots).]
Does this refer to the bit that says he had 12 acres? ie. a small freeholder?
And just saw the last post as if you were reading my mind as to my next question. I had wondered how George jnr died and there it is in detail.
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10 May 2016 13:10 |
Sheffield Independent - Wednesday 04 March 1914 ACCIDENT AT UNIVERSITY A bricklayer, George Henry Spooner of 9ct 2hse Bole Hill Road, Sheffield lies in a critical condition at the Royal Hospital as the result of an accident yesterday. He was at work on some scaffolding at the new north west wing of the Sheffield University when he fell. His head struck the ground and he was take to the Royal Hospital. His skull was fractured and a dislodged bone penetrated his brain. ------------------------------------
He died following the accident:
National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: George Henry Spooner Probate Date: 20 Feb 1917 Registry: London, England Death Date: 4 Mar 1914 Death Place: Sheffield, England
Spooner- George Henry of 3 Bolehill Road, Crookes, Sheffield died 4 March at Royal Hospital, West Street, Sheffield Administration London 20 February to Mary Spooner, widow
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 10:47 |
George Spooner in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: George Spooner Probate Date: 12 Mar 1913 Registry: Wakefield Death Date: 16 Nov 1911 Death Place: Sheffield, England
Of 135 Western-Road, Crookes, Sheffield......Yoeman
To Ernest Spooner journeyman carter and John William Nicholson coal dealer.
Effects: £521 5s 5d
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 10:42 |
Going back to the witnesses on George Henry Spooner's marriage to Mary Crawshaw.....
George's sister Fanny married John William Nicholson......
Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%) Nicholson John William Ecclesall B. 9c 650 Spooner Fanny Ecclesall B. 9c 650
Fanny on the 1911 census.......
Fanny Nicholson in the 1911 England Census Name: Fanny Nicholson [Fanny Spooner] Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Sheffield Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 135 Western Road Crookes Marital Status: Married Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Household Members:
John William Nicholson 40 Fanny Nicholson 43 John George Nicholson 12 Sarah Ellen Nicholson 8 George Spooner 81 Father-in-law.........Widowed....(Late) Farmer
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 10:21 |
Possible marriage.......
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Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%) Sanderson Sarah Sheffield 9c 284 SPOONER George Sheffield 9c 284
Daughter Jane born before the marriage??
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Births Dec 1859 (>99%) Sanderson Jane Sheffield 9c 358
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LondonBelle
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10 May 2016 10:12 |
Looks like George was baptised twice Name George Henry Spooner Baptism Wicker 11 Dec 1862 Birth date 10 Sep 1862 Parents George ( occ Dairyman) & Sarah Address Andrew Street, Yorkshire
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LondonBelle
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10 May 2016 10:06 |
Another job lot of Baptisms 22 Mar 1874 Cathedral Church of St Peter's & St Paul's, Sheffield
George dob 10 Sep 1862 William dob 18 Sep 1864 Fanny 22 Sep 1867 Herbert 5 Jun 1870 Ernest 15 Jan 1874
Address Andrew Street Parents George ( occ Cow Keeper) & Sarah Spooner
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 09:56 |
George Henry Spooner in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: George Henry Spooner Gender: Male Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1863 Baptism Place: Shefield, York, England Father: George Spooner Mother: Sarah
George Spooner in the 1871 England Census Name: George Spooner Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Spooner Gender: Male Where born: Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: Wicker Trinity County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Brightside
Household Members:
George Spooner 40 (Cow keeper) Sarah Spooner 33 Jane S Spooner 11 George H Spooner 8 William Spooner 6 Fanny Spooner 3 Herbert Spooner 9 Months Nancy Crownshaw 14 (Servant)
Res: 20 1/2 Andrew Street.
George Spooner in the 1861 England Census Name: George Spooner Age: 31 Estimated birth year: 1830 Relation:Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Spooner Gender: Male Where born: Walkley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: Wicker County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Brightside
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George Spooner 31 (Cow Keeper) Sarah Spooner 22 Jane Spooner 3 Harriet N K 18
Res: Andrew Street.
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 09:47 |
George Hy . Spooner in the 1881 England Census Name: George Hy . Spooner Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Son Father: George Spooner Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish:Nether Hallam County/Island: Yorkshire Country:England Street address: 32 Providence Rd Occupation: Farmers Son Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Household Members:
George Spooner 51 Widower (Sheffield, Yorkshire) Farmer Of 12 Acres & Cowkeeper Jane Spooner 21 George Hy. Spooner 18 William Spooner 16 Fanny Spooner 13 Herbert Spooner 10
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LondonBelle
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10 May 2016 09:40 |
Marriage
Date 25 May 1893, Parish Church, Stannington, Yorkshire
George Henry Spooner occ Labourer Age 30 Father Geoge Spooner occ Cow Keeper Mary Crawshaw Age 20 Father George Crawshaw occ Wine Drawer Address for both Wallsley, Myrtle Villa, Wood Lane
Witnesses J N Nicolson (looks like) & Fanny Spooner
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 09:25 |
Births Mar 1894 (>99%) Spooner Mabel Ecclesall B. 9c 377
Mabel Spooner in the 1911 England Census Name: Mabel Spooner Age in 1911: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 248 Western Rd. Sheffield. Marital Status: Single Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Household Members:
George Crawshaw 73 Elizabeth Crawshaw 72 Lucy Crawshaw 33 Hugh Crawshaw 26 Mabel Spooner 17
Mabel's parents marriage.......
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Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Crawshaw Mary Wortley 9c 404 Spooner George Henry Wortley 9c 404
Births Sep 1895 (>99%) Spooner Eveline Ecclesall B. 9c 358
Eveline Spooner in the 1911 England Census Name: Eveline Spooner Age in 1911: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 22 Birkendale Vian Sheffield Marital Status:Single Occupation: Domestic Servant Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Household Members:
Joseph Fearn Hough 71 Ernest Marshall 31 Alice Marshall 35 Eveline Spooner 15 Hugh Fearn Hough Marshall 4/12
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LondonBelle
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10 May 2016 09:17 |
Job lot of Baptisms 4 Oct 1899 St Thomas, Crookes, Sheffield Beatrice date of birth 23 Jul 1896 Eveline DOB 31 May 1895 Mabel DOB 22 Jan 1894 George Henry DOB 23 Oct 1898
Parents George Henry ( occ Labourer) & Mary Spooner Address 3 Bole Hill Road
Although slight difference in day born 23 & 27 think must be same family
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LondonBelle
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10 May 2016 09:09 |
National School Admission Register
Name Beatrice Spooner Date of birth 27 Jul 1896 Year of Admission 1906 School Bole Hill Board School (senior mixed) Father George Spooner Address. 3 Bole Hill Road, Sheffield, Yorkshire
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 09:03 |
George Henry Spooner in the 1901 England Census Name: George Henry Spooner Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Mary Spooner Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Nether Hallam Ecclesiastical parish: Crookes St Thomas Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Hallam Household Members:
George Henry Spooner 38 (General Labourer) Mary Spooner 28 Mabel Spooner 7 Eveline Spooner 5 Beatrice Spooner 4
Res: 3/9 Bolehill Road
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PricklyHolly
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10 May 2016 09:00 |
This appears to be Beatrice and her sisters Maggie and Vi on the 1911 census.....
Beatrice Spooner in the 1911 England Census Name: Beatrice Spooner Age in 1911: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 9/3h Bole Hill Rd Sheffield Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Household Members:
George Henry Spooner 48 (Builder Labourer) Sheffield, Yorkshire, Mary Spooner 38 Sheffield, Yorkshire Beatrice Spooner 14 Maggie Spooner 7 Violet Spooner 1 John Peter Spooner 8/12
Married 18 years.........8 children born, 6 living, 2 had died
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Craig
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10 May 2016 01:47 |
Did you know if you type out a big long message with lots of details and take too long that it completely wipes it all out!! Sorry if this is a repeat, but i did try and do a search but because it is only a single word search, Spooner produces nearly 500 matches - it seems strange to me that there is not a full name search for the forum part. And i did find advanced search but after 10 minutes not it is telling me it is still compiling results and suggests it can't handle a full name? I also tried George Henry Spooner in a person search and got zero matches and yet through the quick family finder it shows me George Henry. But i can't use that any further because it only works if you were born in an English county and neither will it take your first ancestor that was. Getting very frustrated with this site!
On a more positive note, I am looking for ancestors on my grandmother Beatrice Spooner's side. I have fond memories of her and her sisters Maggie and Vi. I know she married my Grandfather during WW1 when he worked as a munitions worker using his building skills, he was unfit for a soldier. He was Leslie Moore Baulderstone and his service records are available (for free!) at the australian war service records site and there is a letter in there where he has written to ask if he can bring his new wife home with him on the same ship.
I know that they lived only doors apart from the marriage certificate and Henry was in the building trades also and beatrice was the postal clerk, so lots of chances for them to meet. But apart from that i know nothing of the Spooner family history.
Any help appreciated. I only have a short membership because it was the only way to respond and help someone with history on the Baulderstone family side. But i also thought a good chance to try out a site to see if this would be the one to build my tree on, but so far it is just not working well for me. Even my 50 credits seem pretty useless without any sort of preview function, you have know idea if you are paying for a record that is correct or not. If they can fix these sort of simple things then you never know. I am always keen to help anyone
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