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Elsa Licis or Zatler

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Maddie

Maddie Report 24 May 2016 18:19

taken off dob, you are right

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2016 18:01

Perhaps remove the daughters' exact details, Maddie?
They are probably still alive - at least they were last year, at the time of their mother's death..

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 May 2016 16:23

he had 2 children

Brigetta born Valmeiria
Mara Inarra born Flensburg Germany
he married Ann on 22.06.1940 in Valmeria . She was born 24.6.1911
entered USA 03.08.1950
all living at 566 orange ave Yuma
He is an accontant-auditor

info from this record posted above

Eduards Vitolins

in the Arizona, State Court Naturalization Records, 1869-1976

there are lots of docs on ancestry pertaining to the daughters

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 May 2016 16:13

Eduards Vitolins

in the Arizona, State Court Naturalization Records, 1869-1976
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Name: Eduards Vitolins
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1912
Birth Place: Latvia, Ventspils County
Gender: Male
Petition Date: 3 May 1956
Petition Place: Yuma, Yuma, Arizona, USA
Petition Age: 43

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 May 2016 16:05

Eduard A Vitolins

in the U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
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Text-only collection

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Name: Eduard A Vitolins
Address: 2241 W 5th St, Yuma, AZ, 85364


Eduard A . Vitolins

in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

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Name: Eduard A . Vitolins
Birth Date: 1912
Death Date: 1984
Cemetery: Desert Lawn Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Yuma, Yuma County, Arizona, USA
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Anna Margareta Vitolins
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

Edward Vitolins

in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
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Name: Edward Vitolins
SSN: 527-38-8809
Last Residence:
85364 Yuma, Yuma, Arizona, USA
BORN: 13 Jul 1912
Died: Sep 1984
State (Year) SSN issued: Arizona (Before 1951)

Lisa

Lisa Report 24 May 2016 12:09

Brilliant thanks all!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 May 2016 00:31

her voyage from London to New York in Dec 1922 is shown as Eliza!

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Eliza Hartshorn
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Birth Date: abt 1908
Departure Date: 8 Dec 1952
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth
Search Ship Database: Search for the Queen Elizabeth in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Steam Ship Company, Limited
Official Number: 166290
Master: H Grattidge

from image:-

UK Address:- 158 Percival Road, Bush Hill Pk, Enfield
Occupation:- H'wife

Travelling Cabin class

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2016 23:11

Aha!
The address on the naturalisation record is 566 Orange Avenue, Yuma - that's the address Elsa visited in 1952-3.

So Anna was definitely Elsa Licis / Zatler / Hartshorn's sister, and their parents were Jules and Anna..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2016 22:59

Lisa - if you know anyone in the US, get them to find Anna Vitolins' address from whitepages (assuming she's still alive - now 104-5) if you think she might be a sister of Elsa.

http://www.whitepages.com/name/Vitolins/Yuma-AZ

There's also a younger Anna Vitolins living in Yuma - maybe a grand-daughter ??


EDIT:
No - Anna 1911 died last year:

Anna Margareta Vitolins
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Anna Margareta Vitolins
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1911
Birth Place: Latvia
Death Date: 30 May 2015
Death Place: Yuma, Yuma County, Arizona, USA
Cemetery: Desert Lawn Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Yuma, Yuma County, Arizona, USA
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse: Eduard A. Vitolins
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...



Anna Vitolins
in the U.S., Obituary Collection, 1930 - 2015
Name: Anna Vitolins
Gender: Female
Age at Death: 103
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1911
Birth Place: Valmiera, Valmiera, Latvia <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence (at time of death): Yuma, Arizona, USA
Death Date: 30 May 2015
Obituary Date: 2 Jun 2015


The findagrave link says she arrived in Yuma in 1950 - that would fit with Elsa going to visit her in 1952.



Anna Margareta Vitolins
in the Arizona, State Court Naturalization Records, 1869-1976
Name: Anna Margareta Vitolins
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1911
Birth Place: Valmiera, Latvia
Gender: Female
Petition Date: 3 May 1956
Petition Place: Yuma, Yuma, Arizona, USA
Petition Age: 44

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2016 20:11

Life story of Anna Vitolins (nee Licis) of Yuma, born 1911, in Valmera, Latvia, same place as Elsa.

http://tinyurl.com/gol6t6t

Interesting life-story - with parents' names - and she had sisters.

This isn't the same Anna as died in 1971, and is nearer Elza in age than the other one, so they might be sisters. Possibly the one who died in 1971 could be their mother ??


EDIT:

Whitepages.com still lists the Anna born 1880 and died 1971 - says she's 136!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2016 20:00

As Elsa / Elza had been visiting Yuma, Arizona in 1952-3, I wonder if this is some relation ??

Anna Licis
in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Anna Licis
SSN: 526-86-9226
Last Residence:
85364 Yuma, Yuma, Arizona, USA
BORN: 23 Feb 1880
Died: Dec 1971
State (Year) SSN issued: Arizona (1965)


She's buried in the same cemetery as Elza. (EDIT: Actually, I think it's a crematorium garden of remembrance.)
Desert Lawn Memorial Park

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 May 2016 16:33

Elsa Hartshorn
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Elsa Hartshorn
Year: 1954
County or Borough: Enfield
Ward or Division/Constituency: Enfield South East
Street address: 158 Percival Road <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Same as in 1953 travel record above.

Living with James. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Maddie

Maddie Report 22 May 2016 16:29

Elza A Hartshorn

in the U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2


Name: Elza A Hartshorn
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1908
Address: 7725 Reseda Blvd Apt 305, Reseda, CA, 91335-9201

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 May 2016 16:28

This was her outward journey on that trip:

Elza Hartshorn
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Elza Hartshorn
Arrival Date: 13 Dec 1952
Birth Date: abt 1908
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth


Address: 566 Orange Avenue, Yuma, Arizona.
Married <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Two pieces of luggage!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 May 2016 16:24

Coming from US to UK, earlier than the outward travel record posted by Maddie:

Elza Hartshorn
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Elza Hartshorn
Birth Date: abt 1908
Age: 45
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 25 May 1953
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 166290


Proposed address: 158 Percival Road, Enfield, Middlesex. (Was on 1954 ER for Enfield, as posted earlier.)

Country of last permanent residence: England.

She's a shop assistant.
But travelling cabin class on the Queen Elizabeth ?.

Lisa

Lisa Report 22 May 2016 16:18

Thank you Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 May 2016 16:18

Grave of Elza Adolfine:

http://tinyurl.com/j4se7bg

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 May 2016 16:17

Massachusetts, Birth Index, 1901-1960 and 1967-1970


Name:Elsa Lihcis
Birth Date:1908
Birth Place:Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Volume Number:575
Page Number:352
Index Volume Number:76
Reference Number:F63.M362 v.76


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 May 2016 16:15

????

California, Death Index, 1940-1997
:
Elsa Scroggins
[Elsa Licis]
Social Security #:012162850
Gender:Female
Birth Date:17 Feb 1908
Birth Place:Massachusetts
Death Date:16 Dec 1992
Death Place:San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name:Sprogis
Father's Surname:Licis


Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 May 2016 16:14

But then there's this:

Elza Aldofine Hartshorn
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Elza Aldofine Hartshorn
[Elza Aldofine Lilis]
Social Security #: 571623677
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1908
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 17 Nov 1983
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Grivins
Father's Surname: Lilis