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Hi Prickles
You have been busy. The name Julia Mary Cooper formerly Johnson is on my Grandads birth certificate. The name William Frederick Cooper is on there as his father. I also have purchased a birth certificate for who I thought was Williams father but don't know how to find out if this really is his father. The name shows William Frederick Cooper born in Islington with parents Charles Cooper and mother Ann Cooper formerly Shephard................how do I know if this is them?
Rosemarie

Hi Rosemarie

Thank you for your reply on here.

Three times I have tried to reply to you on here, to explain things. But this site is playing up big time at the moment......so I will have to get back to you tomorrow.

I think if you slowly take your time to read through all the information provided, you will find that your William Frederick Cooper was born 1858 in Braintree, Essex.

The son of Joseph Cooper and Caroline Craske.

Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
Cooper William Frederick Braintree 4a 327

Stanley's Baptism.......

Stanley Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Stanley Cooper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1896
Born: 25th Aug 1896
Father's name: William Frederick Cooper ...Cook...162 Barnsbury Road <<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Julia Mary Cooper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

What occupation does it give for Stanley's father on his birth certificate???

Prickles. x

Amazing what you have found out about my family. I have never put 2 and 2 together to realise that Mary Ann was also married to my Great Grandad William Frederick. Yes an amazing woman to take on her husbands children from another woman. What programs did you use to do your research. I have only used Genes and Free BMD so far so there is obviously something better. You should be doing some training courses for the likes of us that struggle :-)

Morning Rosemarie

I use Ancestry for my research.

You can also see from William's marriage record to Mary Ann, that he names his father as Joseph.

Unfortunately, we have not been able to find any further information about what happened to William and Julia.

Joseph and Caroline's marriage........

Joseph Cooper in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Joseph Cooper (Bachelor) Baker....Briantree, Essex
Spouse: Caroline Craske (Spinster) 66 Lincoln Inn Fields
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 May 1847
Parish: St Stephen Coleman Street
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Joseph Cooper (Labourer)
Spouse Father: James Craske (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Thomas Dale and Daniel Richard Harker

Suffolk, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records

29 May 1826 Caroline dau: of James & Elizabeth Craske, labourer.

Book
Baptisms.

Collection
Suffolk: West Stow, Wordwell - West Stow Parish Registers 1558-1850 and Wordwell Parish Registers, 1580-1850 (Christenings, Marriages, Burials)

Wm Frederick Cooper in the 1861 England Census
Name: Wm Frederick Cooper
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Cooper
Mother's name: Caroline Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Braintree, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Braintree
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Braintree

101 High Strret

Household Members:

Joseph Cooper 37 Black Notley, Essex (Baker employing 1 Man)
Caroline Cooper 34 Westow, Suffolk
Chas Mott Cooper 11
Arthur Afred Cooper 9
Emily Kezia Cooper 7
Joseph Albert Cooper 5
Wm Frederick Cooper 3
Herbert Cooper 11/12
Emma Grozos 17 (Servant)

Children all born Braintree, Essex


Joseph Cooper in the 1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Cooper Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: White Notley, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Braintree
Town: Braintree
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Finchingfield

Household Members:

Joseph Cooper 27 Baker (Master Employing 1 Man)
Caroline Cooper 24 West Stoo, Suffolk
Charles M Cooper 1
Rody Kiddy 16 (Servant)
Walter Bryant 21 (Servant)


Births Dec 1849 (>99%)
COOPER Charles Mott Braintree 12 22

Julia's parent's marriage.....

Thomas Johnson in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Thomas Johnson (Bachelor) Mariner
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Age: 26
Spouse: Sarah Jane Young (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Jan 1860
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Johnson (Tailor)
Spouse Father: George Young (Carpenter)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: George and Caroline Young


Thomas Johnson in the 1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Johnson
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Jane Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bocking, Essex, England [Barking, Essex, England]
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Paul

Household Members:

Thomas Johnson 27 (Mariner.....Upon the Mast?????
Sarah Jane Johnson 25 (Wife of Mariner at Sea)
Sarah Ann A Johnson 6/12

Sarah Anne Anna Johnson in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Anne Anna Johnson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 Oct 1860
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1860
Baptism Place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Father: Thomas Johnson
Mother: Sarah Jane

Re Thomas's occupation in 1861, posted above by PH -

I think it says "before the mast", which will mean he wasn't an officer.


http://www.ussbrainedd630.com/terms.htm
Before the mast - Literally, the position of the crew whose living quarters on board a ship were in the forecastle (the section of a ship forward of the foremast). The term is also used more generally to describe seamen as compared with officers, in phrases such as “he sailed before the mast.”

Double checked and yes you are right AG.

Prickles. :-)