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It won't let me copy and paste but the death of son Frederick is recorded on this page:

http://www.tillington.net/They-also-fell-page-2.pdf

(2nd listing from the bottom of the page)

Dea x

Emma and Marjorie are also in the same Workhouse on the 1901 census.


First name(s) Margory
Last name Scutt
Relationship Pauper
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 0
Birth year 1901
Occupation Nil
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed NEW SHOREHAM
Birth county Sussex
Birth county as transcribed SUSSEX
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish New Shoreham
City -
Country England
County Sussex

Emma is recorded on the line above Marjorie.

Kath. x

The 1911 census shows 6 children at home. They are living in 3 rooms

The original says 9 children born, 8 still living 1 has died. All children are named (useful) but -

Crossed out are William aged 18 b Petworth and also George aged 3 b Chichester and also John - there are no age details given for him and there is also a X against his name in the children who have died column (listed between Marjorie and James).

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bigenon Farm Cottage Petworth, Petworth, Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Scutt Head Married Male Farm Labourer On Farm 52 1859 Sussex Bury
Emma Jane Scutt Wife Married Female - 39 1872 Sussex Northchapel
Charles Scutt Son Single Male Farm Labourer On Farm 14 1897 Sussex Petworth
Frederick Scutt Son Single Male School 12 1899 Sussex Newick
Marjorie Scutt Daughter Single Female School 10 1901 Shorehic Sussex
James Scutt Son Single Male School 6 1905 Sussex Petworth
Henry Scutt Son Single Male School 5 1906 Sussex Chichester
Grace Scutt Daughter Single Female - 1 1910 Sussex Fitterworth

On the 1901 census there is a William, Charles and Frederick Sadler (who become Scutt on the 1911 census?) living in what seems to be an institution of some kind.

EDIT - yes, going back on the images it is a Workhouse in New Shoreham.

Kath. x

Thank you ladies you have opened a door for me , i will check out the 1901 census to see if any of their children are with them as looks like they may have been homeless when that one taken and that will help pin it down.

;-)

There is also this birth that could fit:-

First name(s) EMMA
Last name SADLER
Birth year 1872
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District PETWORTH
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 329

Perhaps she was given her middle name after her mother when she was christened??

Kath. x

On the 1911 she has said her birth date is 1872,But area is right on 2nd one, will look into it...Thank you Dea.x

Joanie x

I think this is Emma in the 1881 census with her family (place of birth matches that given on the 1911 census):-

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shonks Cottage, 2, North Chapel, Petworth, Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Sadler Head Married Male 50 1831 Woodward Man Chiddingfold, Surrey, England
Jane Sadler Wife Married Female 45 1836 Woodward Mans Wife Northchapel, Sussex, England
Alfred Sadler Son Single Male 23 1858 Agricultural Laborer Northchapel, Sussex, England
Ellen Sadler Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Servant (Out Of Place) Northchapel, Sussex, England
John Sadler Son Single Male 15 1866 Agricultural Labour Northchapel, Sussex, England
Eliza Sadler Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Northchapel, Sussex, England
Emma Sadler Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Northchapel, Sussex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Sadler Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Northchapel, Sussex, England

Kath. x

If you buy John and Emma Jane's marriage certificate it should name her father which will help make sure you follow the correct line.

Kath. x

Are you sure about her birth date?

There was one born in 1872 but another in 1875 who seems to fit the area better?

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
SADLER Emma Jane Westbourne 2b 411 Scan available - click to view

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
SADLER Emma Jane Petworth 2b 295 Scan available - click to view

This would seem to be the 1875 one?

Emma J. Sadler

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: Emma J. Sadler
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: James Sadler
Mother: Mary Sadler
Gender: Female
Where born: North Chaple, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Up Waltham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: Cottage
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Westhampnett
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1127
Folio: 49
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
James Sadler 45 - Game keeper
Mary Sadler 40
James S. Sadler 23
William Sadler 21
Henry Sadler 14
Mary Jane Sadler 11
Charles Sadler 8
Emma J. Sadler 6
Thomas Sadler 3
Kate Sadler

Dea x

Yes your right Kath...thank you, your a star.x

Joanie x

I think he might have been a foot soldier in the 35th Foot between 1881-1891 or even later i wonder if she got preggers and he came back after baby born and married her they look a poor family as he is a Farm Lab on 1911 but no sign of him on 1901 :-(

Yes, you would have to buy the birth certificate for one of the children to be sure, but see my post above - there is a child with the surname Sadler so the marriage seems right.

Kath. x

Actually, looking at the image for the 1911 census there is a son whose name is crossed out but he is called William Sadler so it looks like the above marriage is the correct one.

Kath. x

Kath, thought it was 1911 and after for mothers name, unless we bought birth cert ?

Joanie x

Thank you Folks, nothing came up for me with a Emma jane, just looked their first son was born in 1897 in Petworth Sussex.x

This is a possible birth for the child on the 1911 census called Grace (possibly her middle name):-

First name(s) FRANCES GRACE
Last name SCUTT
Birth year 1910
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District PETWORTH
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 278

The registration district is where they were living in 1911. The certificate would give her mother's maiden name.

Kath. x

This is the only marriage I can find:-

First name(s) JOHN
Last name SCUTT
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1899
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN SCUTT married one of these people
********EMMA JANE SADLER********, COLLINA CHARLES SOUGHTON, ANNIE LOUISA MERRIX
District STEYNING
District number -
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 652

Kath. x

Possible?

Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
Merrix Annie Louise Steyning 2b 652 Scan available - click to view
**Sadler Emma Jane Steyning 2b 652 Scan available - click to view
**Scutt John Steyning 2b 652 Scan available - click to view
Soughton Collins Charles Steyning 2b 652 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

JOHN SCUTT b. 1859 in Bury Sussex – d 1944 in Sussex
Married around 1895 to:
Emma Jane? b.1872 Sussex – d.1937 Sussex

They had 9 children I think,

CHARLES - FREDERICK - MARJORIE - JAMES - JOHN - HENRY - FRANCES GRACE – GEORGE

They are on the 1911 Census living at Bigenon Farm Cottage Petworth Sussex, but only found Emma and Marjorie on 1901 as paupers (I think) I am trying to find out Emma Jane’s maiden name so I can follow her line have tried FreeBMD any help would be appreciated.
Joanie x