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AustinQ
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15 Sep 2016 08:22 |
Looks like Sidney's death in Australia:
Western Australia Death index Transcription
First name(s) Sidney Lloyd Owen Last name Williams-Fox Birth year 1888 Death year 1962 Place Perth Father's first name(s) James C Mother's first name(s) Unknown State Western Australia Country Australia Registration number 2669 Record set Western Australia Death index
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15 Sep 2016 08:20 |
Don't know if any help but this is the marriage for Elizabeth to Sidney- gives her father's name as William John (which fits the 1911 posted by supercrutch):
name(s) SIDNEY LLOYD OWEN WILLIAMS (26 Fothergill Road) Birth year 1889 Marriage year 1913 Marriage day 8 Marriage month Jun Place BEDWELLTY Spouse's name(s) ELIZABETH MITCHELL (22 Fothergill Road) Bride's age 21 Groom's age 24 Bride's father name(s) William John Mitchell (deceased) Groom's father's name(s) James Coustantine Williams (Pay master) Parish Bedwellty County Monmouthshire Country Wales Record set Monmouthshire Marriages
Witnesses: J Price & M Price ------------------------------------
1911 Name: Elizabeth Mitchell Age in 1911: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Tirphil, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Bedwellty County/Island: Monmouthshire Street address: 22 Fothergills Rd New Tredegar Marital Status: Single Registration district: Bedwellty Registration District Number: 585 Sub-registration district: Tredegar ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Household schedule number: 131 Piece: 31882
William John Mitchell 57 Margaret Mitchell 56 George Mitchell 22 Elizabeth Mitchell 19 ------------------------------------------------------
1901 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 32, Jubliee Terrace, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
William J Mitchell Head Married Male 47 1854 Coal Miner Hewer Margam, Glamorgan Margaret Mitchell Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales William Mitchell Son Single Male 20 1881 Coal Miner Hewer Newport, Monmouthshire, Frederick Mitchell Son Male 15 1886 Shoemakers Apprentice Newport, Monmouthshire Mabel Mitchell Daughter - Female 14 1887 - Llanfrechfa, Monmouthshire, Wales George Mitchell Son - Male 12 1889 - Crumlin, Monmouthshire, Wales Elizabeth Mitchell Daughter - Female 9 1892 - New Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
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supercrutch
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15 Sep 2016 00:22 |
Just to clarify there are just 4 of us who produce all the records we each pay for our own subscriptions and printing materials so work on personal shoestrings. One member buys artefacts, medals and uniforms etc., substantial personal cost to him.
Ordering certs is usually out of the question as we have sooooo many people to commemorate.
If we find grandchildren then they may offer to buy the certs to confirm but we like to give as much info as possible to try and ensure they do not waste money.
Sue
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15 Sep 2016 00:15 |
Thanks for replies so far.
There is an Elizabeth Mitchell living in Fothergills Rd in 1911 aged 19 Birth:
Name: Elizabeth Mitchell Age in 1911: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Tirphil, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Bedwellty
That fits with the 1939 dates pretty much.
Edit: Tirphil/Bedwellty and a couple of other districts are entirely interchangeable when census records are completed
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ArgyllGran
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15 Sep 2016 00:10 |
Edward & Elizabeth's marriage cert should say if she was a widow, spinster, or whatever.
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15 Sep 2016 00:02 |
There is this birth that could be a possible if Elizabeth was known by her middle name and just dropped her first name altogether:-
First name(s) FRANCES ELIZABETH Last name MITCHELL Birth year 1891 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's last name - District BEDWELLTY County Monmouthshire Country Wales Volume 11A Page 106 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Even if there was no divorce, it is possible that Elizabeth and Sidney simply split up and because divorce was very difficult and expensive during that period they just either lived with another partner or entered into a bigamous marriage - although this was less likely if they stayed in the same area where people would know them.
Kath. x
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14 Sep 2016 23:55 |
Edward H Beckenly on the 1939 Register
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Beckenly Household (2 People) 13 Alex Road , Bedwellty U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales Attach to tree View original image Print First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Elizabeth Beckenly 15 Sep 1891 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 68 2 Edward H Beckenly 07 May 1886 Male Gen Lab Below Ground Married 68 1
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ArgyllGran
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14 Sep 2016 23:48 |
Possibly a remarriage for Sidney ?? which would support the divorce theory?
Sidney O Williams in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Sidney O Williams Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933 Registration district: Bedwellty Inferred County: Monmouthshire Spouse: Hilda Drage Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 198
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But maybe that's this Sidney:
Births Jun 1915 (>99%) Williams Sidney O Davies Bedwellty 11a 309
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ArgyllGran
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14 Sep 2016 23:44 |
According to Elizabeth's death record, she was born 1892.
Do you know where Elizabeth Beckerley was born?
There was no Elizabeth Mitchell born in Bedwellty district 1891-3 (per FreeBMD).
There were several Elizabeth Williamses.
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14 Sep 2016 23:35 |
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Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%) Currie Elizabeth A Knibbs Bedwelty 11a 131 Knibbs Thomas Currie Bedwelty 11a 131 Mitchell Elizabeth Williams Bedwellty 11a 131 Williams Sidney L O Mitchell Bedwellty 11a 131
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14 Sep 2016 23:35 |
Even though you haven't found Sidney Williams's death, it could be that he and Elizabeth divorced.
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14 Sep 2016 23:33 |
Is this his marriage (for verification, for helpers' reference) ? after the births of the older children?
Edward Beckerley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Edward Beckerley Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Registration district: Bedwellty Inferred County: Monmouthshire Spouse: Elizabeth Williams Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 270
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14 Sep 2016 23:33 |
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elizabeth could have been married before
Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%) Beckerley Edward Williams Bedwellty 11a 270 Evans Edwin J Hughes Bedwellty 11a 270 Hughes Catherine M Evans Bedwelty 11a 270 Williams Elizabeth Beckerley Bedwelty 11a 270
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supercrutch
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14 Sep 2016 23:22 |
This chap is the Father of one of our village's WW2 servicemen and we are trying to add family to his Military History for the Village Preservation Society.
I have his children 6 of whom (redacted on the 1939 register)....as:
Edward G Beckerley 1920– William John Beckerleg 1921–2013 (The Military research son) Vera I Beckerley 1924– Leonard Frederick Beckerley 1926–2006 Victor Raymond Beckerley 1928–1968 Becky I J Beckerley 1932– Nora C Beckerley 1934– Ronald D P Beckerley 1936–
All registered in Bedwellty Mother's maiden name Mitchell.
Now, here is where I am stuck. I cannot find a marriage between Edward Henry Beckerley/g to an Elizabeth Mitchell.
I looked for a marriage between Elizabeth Mitchell and someone else in the village and there is one to Sidney L O Williams. I looked for a death for him in case she was widowed before her marriage to Edward Henry Beckerley but that drew a blank.
We don't need any further history on his siblings ATM just the marriage. I have no ideas as to how to adjust my filters or where else to look.
I do think he was in the USA and Canada between c1907 and c1919 as I have found some travel info and service records but not totally proven.
Any help greatly appreciated please. It would be lovely to have a more complete record for his parents before the info goes on public display.
Thanks for reading
Sue
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