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I am trying to trace the location of my grandfather Charles Pugh in 1911 I know that he married my nan Emma Louisa Harris b1891 in 1911 but have nothing in the census that I can find he was born in 1888 in Stepney London
Any help would be appreciated

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Name: Charles W J Pugh
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: West Ham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 626
Records on Page:
Name
Emma L Harris
Charles W J Pugh
Margaret Reynolds
Frederick C Smith


1891 ???
Name: Charles W J Pugh
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles J Pugh
Mother's name: Susan Pugh
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, London, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stepney
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 298
Folio: 46
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles J Pugh 21
Susan Pugh 21
Charles W J Pugh 3

1901

Name: Charles W F Pugh
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Stepson
Gender: Male
Mother: Susan Gutbridge
Birth Place: Limehouse, London, England
Civil Parish: East Ham
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1602
Folio: 155
Page Number: 50
Household schedule number: 348
Household Members:
Name Age
William S Gutbridge 33
Susan Gutbridge 31
Charles W F Pugh 13
Susan E M Pugh 8
Ivy H E Pugh 6
John S V Pugh 4
Kate Gutbridge 9
Rose Gutbridge 5
Harriett Rockingham 67
Elizabeth Daughter 20

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name Charles William John Pugh
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 25 Aug 1889
Father's Name Charles Joseph Pugh
Mother's Name Susan Pugh
Parish or Poor Law Union Limehouse St Anne
Borough Tower Hamlets
Register Type Parish Registers

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name Charles Joseph Pugh
Estimated Birth Year abt 1868
Age 19
Spouse Susan Rockingham
Spouse Age 18
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 27 Nov 1887
Parish St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough Tower Hamlets
Father Name John Pugh
Spouse Father William Rockingham
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members
Name Age
Susan Rockingham
Charles Joseph Pugh

Do you know what his occupation was at the time of his marriage?

There is a Charles William John Hall on the 1911 census......born Limehouse, (Boarder) Occupation....Clerk Leather Dressers and Manufacturers.

no I don't know what his job was only know he worked at the Woolwich Arsenal during the War

Is this Emma Louisa in 1911?

Name: Emma Lousia Harris
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: LONDON, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Poplar
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 21 Brabazon Street, Poplar, London E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: SHIRT MACHINIST
Registration district: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 1703
Household Members:
Name Age
George Nathaniel Harris 48
Clara Harris 47
Emma Lousia Harris 19
Robert Alexander Harris 17
Charles Henry Harris 15
Albert Edward Harris 10
William John Harris 9
Louisa Maud Harris 3

Death of Charles?

Name: Charles W J Pugh
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Sep 1957
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 484

and that of Emma?

Name: Emma L Pugh
Birth Date: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Mar 1955
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: east Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 47

Maddie posted Charles' baptism, but there is a little more information about his parents on the image of the Register

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charles William John Pugh
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1889
Father's name: Charles Joseph Pugh
Mother's name: Susan Pugh
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born: March 12 1889
Address:- 29 Tomline Terrace
Father occupation:- Warehouseman


and out of interest, baptisms of Charles' sisters ....

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Susan Esther May Pugh
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Oct 1892
Father's name: Charles Joseph Pugh
Mother's name: Susan Pugh
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Born:- Sept 13 1892
Address:- 103 Locksley Street
Father occupation:- Manager


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Ivy Harriet Elizabeth Pugh
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 May 1894
Father's name: Charles Pugh
Mother's name: Susan Pugh
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-
Born:- Apr 30 1894
Address:- 11 Acton St
Father occupation:- Warehouseman


Information from 1891 Census .....................

Name Age
Charles J Pugh 21b.ca 1879, Limehouse, London, Warehouseman for Druggist (Chemist)
Susan Pugh 21 b.ca 1870, Limehouse
Charles W J Pugh 3 b.ca 1888, Limehouse

Address:- 108 Locksley Street

Note that Susan's second husband is GUTTRIDGE



Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
Guttridge William George S W. Ham 4a 124 S
Pugh Susan W. Ham 4a 124

Charles William's father died in 1898

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
Pugh Charles Joseph 28 W. Ham 4a 27

I think it might help if you bought the marriage certificate for Charles William and Emma ............. that would tell you where he was living, and his occupation at the time of his marriage.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1355003

Chris :)

(you state on above that you know he married in 1911, but do you already have the cert.?)

(below, Address for 1901, from other 'Thread')

safc Report 17 Sep 2015 13:58

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Barking Road, East Ham, West Ham, Essex, England

(had you managed to find brother John 1911 also?)

In Sylvia's 03:38 Post she has a Bap for Charles in 1889 with a birth date of 12 Mar 1889

There is a 1939 Register for a Charles with a birth date of 12 Mar 1888 so thought I'd add the entry to the Thread

10 Napier Road, East Ham, Essex

Pugh Charles W 12 Mar 1888. Married Occ Maintenance Riding School
There are two closed entries but no sign of Emma Louisa

There is an Emma L Pugh here who is married but away from family ??

MacKenzie Household (5 People) Old Cleeve House Old Cleeve , Williton R.D., Somerset, England
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Winifred M MacKenzie 09 Jul 1897 Householder Private Means - also noted as "Women's Voluntary Service, C...??" - Married !
Eliza Pugh 22 Feb 1902 Childrens Nurse
3 closed records here.......
John M Stubbs 06 Jun 1931 At School
Emma L Pugh 28 May 1891 Domestic Duties - Married.!!
1 closed record here.....
Alice B Bettles 12 Sep 1902 Domestic Duties - Married !
2 closed records here

Perhaps she was working away from home for Mrs. MacKenzie ??
Maybe something to do with the WVS ?

It seems a strange household with possibly several children (the closed records?) and 3 married women with no husbands and a 'children's nurse' ?

Dea x

I was looking at that entry too...the birth date is the same as that on Baptism in Limehouse birth 28 May 1891 Bap 21 Jun 1891 Parents George Nathaniel & Clara Harris:; George's Occ Bath Attendant address 91 Pekin Street

Thanks Londonbelle - I hadn't noticed a baptism on here for her and have just read through again and still can't see one :-S

However, if she 'is' the one missing from home in 1939, at least we now have confirmation of her family.

That marriage cert is needed to confim the fathers.

Dea x

Yes, I agree re Marr Cert. Unfortunately, as you know, West Ham marriages are not on Ancestry or FMP!

Perhaps, some of the info above might ring a bell with Jacqueline.

Would you believe it ???????????????

Mrs. Bettles who was one of the other people in Somerset on 1939 census with Emma L Pugh was only one of their very close neighbour in 1939 !!!!! :-D

Mr. Pugh at No.10 and Mr. Bettles at No 2, Napier Rd.

Looked for a marriage for an Alice B to a Bettles:

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Bettles Dennis Rooksby Thrapston 3b 507 Scan available - click to view
Craven Albert S Richardson Thrapston 3b 507 Scan available - click to view
Richardson Mabel E Craven Thrapston 3b 507 Scan available - click to view
Rooksby Alice B Bettles Thrapston 3b 507 Scan available - click to view


Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Bettles John Patch W. Ham 4a 69 Scan available - click to view
Englebright Rosina J Knock W. Ham 4a 69 Scan available - click to view
Knock Alexander Englebright W.Ham 4a 69 Scan available - click to view
Patch Alice B Bettles W.Ham 4a 69


Looked to match the birth date with either of those names:

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
PATCH Alice Bessie W. Ham 4a 300



Found Mr. Bettles (minus wife) on 1939:

Bettles Household (1 Person) 2 Napier Road , East Ham C.B., Essex, England
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John Bettles 08 Oct 1899 Plasterer Hw

I think that has to prove it is the Emma L we are looking for.?

I think that Mrs. MacKenzie, being a lady of some wealth and in the WVS was setting up some sort of children's refuge for evacuated children to go to.

And these ladies were either working there at the time or may have just been excorting children over to the home and stayed over?

Dea x

This little bit about the WVS at that time might give an insight?


The Women's Voluntary Service (WVS) began in June 1938 to prepare women for civil defence work. By September 1939, the WVS had 336,000 members, increasing to 1 million members during the war.

One of the main tasks of the WVS was to recruit women for Air Raid Precautions services (ARP). They also ran field kitchens and rest centres for people made homeless by bombing; provided canteens at railway stations for soldiers and sailors; escorted children being evacuated; running clothing centres for those who had lost all their possessions; operating car pools once petrol rationing was introduced; helping people salvage their personal belongings from bombed-out houses; and doing domestic work in hospitals and clinics. The WVS was also the official 'sock darner' for the Army - darning 38,000 pairs a week for British and American soldiers!

The women who joined the WVS were those with domestic responsibilities, such as looking after children or relatives, who could not join the armed forces or the Land Army, or work in a factory. Only the organisers received any payment, everybody else gave their services free. The women of the WVS even had to buy their own uniform - a grey-green tweed suit, red jumper and felt hat.

Although some of the duties of the WVS may have seemed boring, the women carried out vital war work, helping Britain to run as normal. The work could be dangerous and some members of the WVS were killed on duty. The WVS is still in existence today and is known as the Women's Royal Voluntary Service (WRVS).

Dea x