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Hi I have found my husbands Granddad James Morrison married Mary McManus in Belfast in 1874 but i can not find a mother for either of them and if anyone can give me some hint,s or be able to help i would be very greatfull Thank you in Advance Nellie

For an idea of ages- is this them in 1911?

Residents of a house 13 in Mayfair Street (Clifton, Antrim)

Morrison James 60 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Belfast General Labourer
Morrison Mary 61 Female Wife Roman Catholic Belfast
Morrison Hannah 35 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner
Morrison Charles 33 Male Son Roman Catholic Scotland Labourer Widower
Morrison Ann 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax
Morrison Elizabeth 17 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner
Morrison David 20 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast On the Army
Morrison Mary 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Schollar
Morrison Patrick 11 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast Schollar

married 37 years, 10 children

rootgatherer Report 17 Jul 2016 09:11

Perhaps a sister for your William?

rootgatherer Report 17 Jul 2016 09:11

Hanna Morrison
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1875
Birth Place: Antrim, Ireland
Father: James Morrison
Mother: Mary Mcmanus
FHL Film Number: 255934

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1361086?d=asc

(looks like above 'Thread' relates perhaps)

Chris :)

Edits (and probably ties in with newly posted below!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1363671

What were their father's names?

This looks like the family in 1901 - different age for Mary (I did wonder if she had had Patrick at 50):

Residents of a house 37.2 in Glenpark Street (Clifton Ward, Antrim)

Morrison Hannah 25 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Margaret 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Jane 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Mary 40 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic
Morrison David 10 Male Son Roman Catholic
Morrison Patrick 1 Male Son Roman Catholic

Hi All I have done it wrong again so sorry , I should have said I can not find a birth date for their mothers in Ireland nor for James and needed some advice as to which site or sites would be the best to try most of what i know i have been given by the G/R helpers and i am very grateful Thank you Nellie

Nellie, I am a bit confused as to who you are looking for. Is it the parents of James Morrison, b1851, and Margaret McManus b either 1859 or 1849? You only mention dates for the mothers and James. Does that mean you have the info for the fathers?

Birth registration in Ireland did not start until 1864, so you will need to search for baptisms.

If you have James & Mary's marriage cert, it will give their father's names & occupations. It may also give their ages at marriage, which should help to determine when Mary was born.

Ancestry has Catholic baptisms but there are several that could be yours. With the fathers' names you could discount some of them.

You might be interested in this - it refers to the David in the 1901/11 census:

http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/detail.aspx

It refers to an application from James for a pension in respect of David, who was in the IRA and shot by the British Army in 1921. It also mentions his sister Hannah. There are some links to other documents but they seem to refer to a different man.

I have managed to find the web address of one of David's files. It is very interesting and includes letters from members of the family:

http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/docs/files//PDF_Pensions/R5/1D168%20David%20Morrison/1D168%20David%20Morrison.pdf

Helen if you read through the documents as per the link posted above by potty (14.01) you will find the grandson of Patrick McFadden and Anne Morrison McFadden he is named as Anthony Noel Darragh he was still living Belfast in the '80s.

I sent a message to someone with Mary Mcmanus in her tree and she sent this Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 21-Nov-1874
Parish / District: BELFAST County: Co. Antrim
Husband Wife
Name: James Morrison Mary McManus
Address: Kent Street Pinkerton's Row
Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: David Morrison Charles McManus
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: John Layden Mary McManus
Address:
Notes:
Church: ST PATRICK'S BELFAST Roman Catholic
DISP FROM DR MARNER REV J OHARA. nt me hope it helps as i am confused and not sure what i am doing thank you nellie

Nellie...I am not sure where you are at either...! Probably would have been easier if you had kept on the original thread......

The above is the MC of James Morrison son of David Morrison who married a Mary McManus daughter of Charles McManus at St Patricks 21st Nov.1874.
The couple were living Kent St and Pinkertons Row respectively.

A Dispensation was obtained for the Marriage to take place meaning it may have been for one of the following reasons...
Consanguinity
Affinity
Spiritual Relationship

Or one or the other was Protestant.

Nellie...Re my post 14.54.....

Pat.McFadden was Baptised John Patrick McFadden son of William McFadden and Hannah O'Connor they lived 55 Earlscourt St. Falls.Belfast (1911 Census)

John Pat. married Anne Morrison (25 Mayfair St.) at St Patricks on 15 Nov.1913.
Witnesses : Wm Crilly and Elizabeth Morrison.

A daughter Hannah was born 17 June 1914.

Thank you Eringobragh for your help , I am so confused i search ed for a marriage for Patrick McFadden and Anne Morrison to find his name as John McFadden but Anne and her father James was the same , Is it usual to find that names can be different from one page to another thank you nellie

Nellie...Anything is possible...!!

Sometimes its a case of pure detective work and picking up little clues along the way....
I don't use Ancestry/FMP.

I cannot find an image for James Morrison (1874) and Mary McManus' marriage so cant comment on "Dispensation" part of it...

she said it was from WWW.Rootsireland , There are so many place,s to look for thing,s and i don,t think i could do the searching that you and the other G/R helpers do to help people out Well Done All nellie

Nellie...It only comes with practice and usually spending hours researching your own family over the years.. its not rocket science but most of the helpers "help each other" and have all had to start somewhere and usually long before Ancestry etc.

Nellie....Re my post 14.54 (13th Dec) If you can get someone to check 192.com for details, the person mentioned is still living in Belfast 11 with family.

Thank you i will try this later

Nellie, I have just had a closer look at this file:

http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/docs/files//PDF_Pensions/R5/1D168%20David%20Morrison/1D168%20David%20Morrison.pdf

There are a lot of documents in it, including a letter from James Morrison. In it he states that he was born in 1854 but did not know the month or the day.