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Ok Austin that is great information thankyou, I must have the wrong kirby that died in 1920. Strange she is on electoral roll as Jamieson, but he puts her as Rosina Kirby, not sure if they did ever marry. Her death cert states Rosina Jamieson previous Kirby and widower of mr john Kirby. Did people use their partners name although they werent married ? Strange

Austin very helpful thankyou but confusing why she is using his surname although not married which seems the case, great we have now got Jamieson first name, very helpful. The husband I had for her john kirby I have death being 1920.
Rosina death cert gives her name as Jamieson was Kirby and widower of Mr J Kirby, so does that mean she didnt marry Jamieson ?
Thank you Mary so in 1919 she wssnt staying at vicarage

It is likely that she was still married when she was living with William in 1918, but just took on the Jamieson surname. Lots of people did it (including my Grandparents- my gran (also my Grandad's housekeeper) eventually took on his surname even though they weren't married. (They couldn't marry as his wife was still living)

I don't see a marriage for them- and they definitely weren't married in 1918 -even thought she was listed as Jamieson on the electoral register William refers to her as the housekeeper in his military file.

I'm not sure that 1920 death is correct- that is for a John W Kirby, but your John married with no initial.

Births:

KIRBY, JOHN (Mother's maiden name: BREEKEN) (Probably Bracken)
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 58

KIRBY, JOHN WILLIAM (Mother's maiden name: HILEY )
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 103

Your John is possibly the top birth- although you would need his marriage cert to confirm father's name & occupation:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Street, Isleworth, Brentford, Middlesex, England

Thomas Kirby Head Married Male 38 1853 Market Garden Assistant Ireland
Mary Kirby Wife Married Female 34 1857 Needle Woman Ireland
Thomas Kirby Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Blackfriars, Middlesex,
John Kirby Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Norah Kirby Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Isleworth, Middlesex, England
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Norah's birth:
KIRBY, HONORA (Mother's maiden name: BRACKEN )
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 53
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and John in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Magdala Road Isleworth Middlesex, Isleworth, Middlesex, England

John Kirby Head Married Male Mkt Gd Labourer 29 1882 Mx Isleworth
Rosina Kirby Wife Married Female - 31 1880 Surrey Richmond
Rosina Margarette Byrel Kirby Daughter Single Female - 9 1902 Surrey Richmond

Ok so couples didnt have to be married then to adopt a baby ?
Thanks for update on John Kirby thats great

I am trying to contact London Metropolitan Archives to find maternity records of Sarah Annie Baker , if I can get her birth date or age will be much more helpful.

Adoption/ childcare did not run in the same way as today.

Official adoption in the UK did not begin until the 1920s and, as Vera marries in both her birth name and her chosen name, it is unlikely the adoption was official.

Very interesting, so is it a possibility then that Sarah Annie Baker knew the Jamiesons ?

Maybe she did as Rosina had daughter also with middle name Margaret.


Maryb.

KIRBY, ROSINA MARGARET BERYL mms SAMUELS
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY Volume 02A Page 446


Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
KIRBY John Brentford 3a 219
Samuels Rosina Brentford 3a 219

Thank you to Kay??? I sent a request to see birth records to London Metropolitan Archives which have been received and the birth mother Sarah Annie Baker was 32 yrs at time of birth in 1919. this helps me move forward in hopefully finding any descendants. If anybody can help in finding anymore information on Sarah Annie Baker born 1886 I believe she maybe the daughter of John William Baker and Sarah E Coatsworth born in Thornaby on Tees. 1911 census living in Kensington as Servant. in 1919 when she gave birth she was living at 8 Macroom road London as a Domestic Servant. I am now looking for a possible marriage for her or where she lived from there on. thank you kind Regards Angela

You have started another thread which really isn't fair on those who have helped on the same family on this thread

Means new helpers will spend time looking for records that have been found and posted

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366205

Yes realised that after I had done it, hence why I then reposted in original thread

Newer replies are on the other thread, so probably best to continue on there.

You have again put wrong mmn (Stockton) on this thread, although corrected over on the other to Coatsworth. EDIT- now changed.

Her birth certificate will give full DOB which might help to track her later