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John Bertram Walker. Born 1883. An enigma!

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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Feb 2017 20:10

Ronald Bertram Walker
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1911
Date of Registration: Apr 1984
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Surrey South-eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 961

Would tie with a Dec birth reg in the first quarter of the next year

VIEW England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Ronald Bertram Walker
Death Date: 31 Mar 1984
Death Place: Reigate Sy
Probate Date: 14 Jun 1984
Registry: London

No probate person named

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Feb 2017 20:03

I have been looking for all of them on the 1939 register but not finding them
Only one possible for the brother but he isn't with family

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Feb 2017 19:29

I don't have access to view this record......


Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Immigration & Travel
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Name: Ronald Bertram Walker
Birth: year - location
Arrival: date - Detroit, Michigan, USA

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Feb 2017 18:57

I don't have much time tonight,but have you found Kathlyn or her parents on the 1939 register? the 1939 register gives exact dates of birth which helps track births (and deaths).

Sometimes you have to come forward to work back.

Sara

Sara Report 7 Feb 2017 18:22

Shirley, yes my dad does have the marriage certificate for his parents. He is definitely down as John Bertram Walker :)

Sara

Sara Report 7 Feb 2017 18:19

AustinQ, I feel like a total plonker!! Totally forgot about my grandmother's brother (not hard to forget mind, I didn't know she had a brother until recently!) Yes, I'm sorry, there was another child!

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 7 Feb 2017 18:01

Apologies if this is already posted- are you certian they only had one child?

WALKER, RONALD BERTRAM BARNETT
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 1098

WALKER, KATHLYN MAY BARNETT
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in ROCHFORD Volume 04A Page 1405

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Feb 2017 18:00

I saw the marriage to mr Andrews bu couldn't see any other info

I was thinking if she married the cert should name her father and whether he was still alive at that time . But it's not a given that a father would be given deceased even if he was .

Sara

Sara Report 7 Feb 2017 17:50

Maryb... I've had a closer look at the information you gave me, thank you very much for that.
It does look very promising, as ChristinaS says. I'll keep on researching and will let you all know if I get anywhere!

Thanks again :-)

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 7 Feb 2017 17:23

I think the John Bertie Green posted by Maryb looks promising.

I would assume (only an assumption) that his father was a Walker. He's under the name Walker in 1901.

Sara

Sara Report 7 Feb 2017 14:42

Shirley - My grandmother married twice. First marriage was to Francis A. Andrews in 1936 in Bromley and had a child called Christine. We don't know if they divorced or if he died in the war. Granny moved to South Africa without her daughter (Christine was alive up to 20 years ago, we don't know where she is now and I can't find any details about her either!) sometime in the 1940's. Granny then married my grandfather in SA or Rhodesia as it was then, in 1950 and had my dad a year later.
Unfortunately, as you can tell, it wasn't the done thing to find out more about her family. Dad is kicking himself that he didn't push for information :(

Maryb. I keep thinking this is him too. Perhaps he changed his name before he got married to May?! Who knows!!

Mary

Mary Report 7 Feb 2017 14:24

This looks like the one on 1901 census as stepson to John Edwin Flood.

Catherine Jane Green had son John Bertie Green D qtr 1882 Edmonton V03a P308 mums name not shown.

Edmonton is Tottenham area.

Catherine Jane Green born 1861 to Elizabeth Rathbone born Windsor Berkshire and John William W Green born @ 1831 Plymouth Devon they married in Hackney 1860

Catherine Jane Green married J/A/S 1897 in Edmonton 3a 781 to John Edwin Flood.
Catherine J Flood died 1908 in Tendring Essex

1911, Sycamore Lodge John Street Brightlingsea Essex
John Edwin Flood widow private teacher born Taunton @1844 he died 1/9/1928 probate to Anna Louisa Flood spinster £134

I can't figure out how or why he was Bertie J Walker in 1901 census!!

Maryb.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Feb 2017 13:29

Not seeing them on the 1939 register or a possible marriage for kathlyn

Is she your grandmother? If so when did she marry and do you have that cert for its info

Sara

Sara Report 7 Feb 2017 12:43

safc, I'll get on to my dad about obtaining the marriage certificate, thanks :)

Sylvia in Canada. It was a typo. Sorry. I already have that information.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Feb 2017 04:03

He was born about 1883 (NOT 1885) according to the 1911 Census!!

1911 Census

Name: John B Walker
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tottenham
Civil Parish: Ilford
Search Photos: Search for 'Ilford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 42 Seymour Gardens, Ilford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bioscope Operator
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 260
Piece: 9855

John B Walker 28
May Walker 28

safc

safc Report 6 Feb 2017 22:11

sara
may be a brother

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Walker Maynard Bertram Camberwell 1d 803

Mother's Maiden Surname:
WALKER, MAYNARD BERTRAM SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 803

but he died same year

if you get the marriage cert 1910

put results on here to see what can be found

Sara

Sara Report 6 Feb 2017 20:20

safc, yes I see we aren't going to get any further without it!

Chris, thanks for looking and ruling that John out, we'll keep searching :-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 Feb 2017 15:52

One below...(if anything!)

Chris :)

WALKER, JOHN BERTIE TITCHBOURNE (STROUD)
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 95

Edits (a Baptism for above, Ancestry, London. Born 16 August 1887. Parents John George Titchbourne, Eugene Jane)


Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
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STROUDE Eugenie Jane Bethnal Green 1c 584
WALKER John George T Bethnal Green 1c 584

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Deaths Mar 1974 (>99%)
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WALKER JOHN BERTIE T 16AU1887 POOLE 7C 144


(at below address 1939, with an Elizabeth)

19 Whitton Drive , Ealing M.B., Middlesex,


(so not your one!, but ruled him out!)

safc

safc Report 6 Feb 2017 15:45

sara

you need the marriage cert

for his fathers name
and occupation
and address

Sara

Sara Report 6 Feb 2017 15:42

Thanks Maddie, they're the ones I came up with as well. It does look like Bertie Walker of Tottenham is the most likely.

Safc, I don't have the marriage certificate, I'm going on the details I found on this website...

First Name John B
Last Name Walker
Gender Male
Year 1910
Spouse
Image Quarter 4
Country England
County Essex
District Romford
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 4A
Page 895
Line Number 130
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008

First Name May
Last Name Barnett
Gender Female
Year 1910
Spouse
Image Quarter 4
Country England
County Essex
District Romford
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 4A
Page 895
Line Number 59
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008