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Looking for above born 1901. Married Lily martin 1937 in Camberwell
Killed in action ww2 . I believe he was in RAF, but may have been in Army Looking for conformation of death if possible Had son born November 1941, whilst mother was evacuated to Dorset

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BROWN, WILLIAM JOHN

Rank:
Aircraftman 1st Class
Service No:
1633002
Date of Death:
10/11/1943
Age:
36
Regiment/Service:
Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Grave Reference:
Square 11. Grave 18627.
Cemetery:
STREATHAM PARK CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of William Edward and Mary Ann Brown; husband of Lily Jessie Brown, of Camberwell, London.


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http://www.cwgc.org/

Marriages Jun 1937 (>99%)
Brown William J Martin Camberwell 1d 1329 xxxxxxxxxx
Hansford Norman G Purkiss Camberwell 1d 1329
Martin Lily J Brown Camberwell 1d 1329 xxxxxxxxx
Purkiss Florence M Hansford Camberwell 1d 1329

Thank you so much for that info. Did not know he was in the volunteer bridge. I new he did volunteer, and did not wait to be called up. Does that mean he died in UK? I understood he was shot down. Maybe I can find out more about it with his service number
Where did you find the info?

Looks to be his death certificate

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM J
Last name BROWN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1907
Age 36
Death quarter 4
Death year 1943
District Lambeth
County London
Volume 1D
Page 195

the info posted by safc looks to be from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2435597/BROWN,%20WILLIAM%20JOHN

First ref. gives you his details and then if you click on his name you will get the NOK details as shown in second ref. above.

GG thanks . Maybe he was wounded and came back to Uk. Will have to see if I can find more about the regiment If he died abroad , would they have issued a DC from Lamberth? I think not, so maybe he was based in UK. The family evacuated to Dorset (Sturminster Newton), me included! lily was pregnant, at the time. My mother , me my Aunt and cousin same age as me and Aunt lily .My grandfather drove us there from London and we lived in a rented cottage . I went back once some years ago, but the cottage was no longer there ! Sadly only me left now.

Getting the death certificate may give you the answer.

You could also try here to get a copy of his Service records

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/overview

Cost £30 and take a while to arrive I understand.

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Lily J Brown on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Brown Household (1 Person) 12 Dagmar Road , Camberwell, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lily J Brown 29 Apr 1908 Female Housewife Unpaid Married 204 1

1 closed record

safc
1939 register, should show she was living with her parents at that address. It was a large victorian terrace house 4 floors, and Lily had the top floor. should have been George and Alice Martin,and possibly 2 sons and maybe 1 daughter /husband and granddaughter? They lived in the rest of the house. I guess it showed as two households though.Also i guess William was already in the RAF then.
probably flats now and worth a fortune being in london.
What date was the 1939 reg taken? It throws up interesting hints, for me, as i was around then!!

George H Martin on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Martin Household (3 People) 12 Dagmar Road , Camberwell, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George H Martin 13 Jan 1880 Male Commission Agent Married 203 1
Alfred E Martin 02 Jan 1922 Male Clerk Single 203 2
Henry F Martin 22 Sep 1917 Male Clerk Single 203 3

The register was taken on 29 September 1939 to create a record of the entire civilian population at the outbreak of the Second World War



http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Thank you very much. I wonder where Grandma was?.
You help much appreciated

Here is your Grandmother on the 1939 Register........

Alice E Martin on the 1939 Register

Martin Household (4 People) No 51 Faversham Road , Whitstable U.D., Kent, England

Alice E Martin 27 Sep 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 194 1
Eliza R Adkins 09 Jul 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 194 2
Doris I Johns (Adkins) 18 Jun 1922 Female Gown Machinist Single 194 3
Louisa R Parsons 29 Sep 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 194 4

It seems Eliza's middle intial of "R" should actually be "L"

Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%)
Adkins William E L Martin Camberwell 1d 1548
Martin Eliza L Adkins Camberwell 1d 1548


Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Adkins Doris J Martin Southwark 1d 158


Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
Martin Louisa R Parsons Camberwell 1d 1470
Parsons Arthur J Marton Camberwell 1d 1470

Alice Edith Bonney in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Alice Edith Bonney
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Oct 1881
Born: 27th Sep 1881
Father's name: James Bonney...Occ: Hop Porter...7 Pitts Place
Mother's name: Eliza Bonney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Peter
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Pickles Thanks again, very interesting re Granma. As they did own some chalets (Well wooden huts really) outside Whitstable Don;t understand why Doris was put as Johns , as she did not marry until 1943, also if Louisa was there, then daughter Beryl b1937 would also have been there. Maybe some-one has changed Doris name?

As Doris is still alive, I am going to send that piece of info to Australia for her family to see
You are all so helpful . Maybe I should rejoin FMP, to get the 1939 info.
i have photos of me and my parents taken about that time , being pushed along a seafront, so maybe we could have been there as well (at another address)
HOW fascinating this turning out
Thanks P

just did a google of Faversham road, and YES that is where the Huts were, Remember going to the Sportsman Pub , as a child (we were allowed to sit outside !
P

The 1939 Register gives the date of Doris's marriage.....

12/07/1943

Marriages Sep 1943 (>99%)
Adkins Doris I Johns Bedwellty 11a 137
Johns David C Adkins Bedwellty 11a 137

Doris is the daughter of Eliza and William Adkins.


There is "One Closed Record" after Louisa.....So that must be her daughter Beryl.

On the previous page.....

No 149.........Olde Coastguard

No 151.........Tea House

No 152 ........Tea Shore Bungalow

No 153.........Ye Olde Sportsman

It sounds like you had a wonderful childhood Pauline.

I love winkles!! :-D

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