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I have a Turner family I can't find in 1861
Thomas Turner a carder b 1808 Manchester
Ann his wife b 1812 have they married 1838 Manchester ??
Thomas b 1832
John 1834
Mary 1839
Harriet 1843
Elizabeth 1846
Edward 1849 all Manchester
I have the 1841 & 51 Census But nothing after that for any of them
How can a whole family vanish
I have son Thomas married 1865 Edward Marrying 1874 nothing about Thomas being deceased but he is missing from the 1871 census and Ann his wife is down as a widow
If anyone can find them in 1861 I would be very grateful
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Just for helpers' reference:
Thomas Turner
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Turner
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Turner
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1w
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 2228
Folio: 433
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Turner 43
Ann Turner 39
Thomas Turner 18
John Turner 17
Mary Turner 12
Harriet Turner 7
Elizabeth Turner 5
Edward Turner 2
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Would that be Berry Street, as in past 'Threads'?...(coming up on google search)
Chris :)
(reference)
http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1355123?d=asc
Chris Ho :) Report 24 Sep 2015 07:46
1851 (Find My Past) (Reference)
Thomas Turner Head Married Male 43 1808 Card Grinder Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Turner Wife Married Female 39 1812 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Turner Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Piecer Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Turner Son - Male 17 1834 Carder Cotton Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Turner Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Harriet Turner Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Turner Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Edward Turner Son - Male 2 1849 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Street Berry Street (7)
City Manchester
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Manchester
Registration district Manchester
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2228
Folio 433
Page 26
MarieCeleste Report 23 Sep 2015 19:50
The 1871 that malyon posted above appears to have people missing.
Here's another version:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
13 Berry Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Turner Head - Female 59 1812 Housekeeper Lancashire, England
Edward Turner Son - Male 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth F Turner Daughter - Female 24 1847 Lancashire, England
James France Son-In-Law - Male 25 1846 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
Richard France Grandson - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Mary A Royle Boarder - Female 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Joseph Simister Boarder - Male 23 1848 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
All born Manchester.
Elizabeth and Mary A Royle's occupation both the same but difficult to decipher - Fine Piecer?
Edits
Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%)
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Turner Thomas Manchester 20 455
HOGIN Ann Manchester 20 455
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
(Births on above can now be checked for Mother Maiden Name)
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) (Ancestry)
James France
abt 1846 1 Jul 1866 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Elizabeth Turner 1846
(Residence at Time for Elizabeth, Berry Street. Father, Thomas Turner, occ. Card Grinder)
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1871 census
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Name: Ann Turner
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 4042
Folio: 81
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Turner 59
Edward Turner 22
Elizabeth T Turner 24
James France 35
Richard France 2
Mary A Royle 22
Joseph Simister 23
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Is this Ann in 1871 ??
Ann Turner
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ann Turner
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 4042
Folio: 81
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Turner 59
Edward Turner 22
Elizabeth T Turner 24
James France 35 - son-in-law
Richard France 2 - grandson
Mary A Royle 22 - boarder
Joseph Simister 23 - boarder
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That is what I have for 1871
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Yes the Past thread is mine as you can see no one found them and I was wondering if any thing new had been put on
I have found some thing to do with Store street ?? so I could have mistaken Stone Street as was mentioned in the last post.
If some one can look at the people living in Store Street in 1861
Thank you
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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1284514?page=1
(not sure but lancashireAnn added reference on above, getting confusing!)
Chris :)
lancashireAnn Report 24 May 2012 23:37
baptism Sarah Ann 12-3-1853 St Andrews d of Thomas Turner & Sarah Hallam (before the marriage) - Thomas a spinner of 7 Berry St (then under that address I think it says Stone Street which is the address on the baptism of Thomas I posted)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12579-16531-78?cc=1788853&wc=MMGS-4B6:768678163
Joseph 31-3-1861 St Andrews - s Thomas (spinner) and Sarah of I think it says 40 Berry Street
As this is immediately before the 1861 census that is the most likely address for the family
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12658-72710-79?cc=1788853&wc=MMGS-4BX:994243975
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http://manchesterfamilyhist.proboards.com/
(The Manchester & Salford Family History Forum)
(looking round on google, saw above, not sure if they could help further, you have quite a bit of info. here, to give them for references)
Chris :)
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It is confusing As Thomas b 1808 had a son Thomas b 1833 so they are the same family, but Thomas 1833 is married to Sarah Hallem
It's as though the 1861 census is missing I'm on ancestry and I know sometimes FMP have extra things on their web site
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(I might have missed something, I use FMP in the main for Census posting, and think MC did too at the time, but we couldn't find them, hoping somebody can)
Chris :)
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