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Hi all,
I have now acquired my great grandparents birth certs. Mary elizabeth pengellys has her parents as william penegelly and ellen cole. and john henry pikes has his parents down as Harry pike and Sarah Jane White
The cert has william as a stoker in the royal navy and harry pike as a farm labourer

Flip the William Henry's record ( Official Number: 268355) that was posted earlier finishes in 1902- there is a record of another man underneath that finishes in 1919- the image is on Ancestry.

That William Henry is not our man

This is the birth for Willam and his brother:

PENGELLY, WILLIAM mmn: PEARD
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 05B Page 242

William's twin (died 1873):
PENGELLY, ROGER mmn: PEARD
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 05B Page 242

PENGELLY, GEORGE HENRY mmn: PEARD
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 05B Page 217
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Naval record (age two years out): Image on Ancestry

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6747721

Reference: ADM 188/447/280059
Description:
Name Pengelly, William
Official Number: 280059
Place of Birth: Saint Budeaux, Devon
Date of Birth: 14 February 1875

He was invalided in 1916 and sent to Great Yarmouth Hospital as a 'dangerous lunatic"

The bits you can see on the national archives site image previously posted (without buying it) does show the record ceasing in 1919, but can't see why, nor the name of the ship.

So if George is William's brother, then this confirms the approx birth for William:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15, Saltash Passage, St Budeaux, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England

John Pengelly Head Married Male 38 1843 Laborer H M Dockyard (Gen) Devon, England
Elizabeth Pengelly Wife Married Female 38 1843 - St Budeaux, Devon, England
Elizabeth A Pengelly Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar St Budeaux, Devon, England
Susan Pengelly Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar St Budeaux, Devon, England
William Pengelly Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar St Budeaux, Devon, England
George H Pengelly Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar St Budeaux, Devon, England
Gertrude C Pengelly Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar St Budeaux, Devon, England
Alice M M Pengelly Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - St Budeaux, Devon, England
John Roger Pengelly Son Single Male 0 1881 - St Budeaux, Devon, England
William Peard Father In Law Widower Male 82 1799 Ag Laborer Stoke Damerel, Devon,

So, son of John & Elizabeth fits the 1919 Death posted by flip- and he's also listed as Stoker on his son's baptism.

Sorry- not to do with William's death- but in on the school admissions James and Mary are living at 3 Meavy Terrace and G H Pengelly is listed as Guardian.

This is the same G H Pengelly in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Meavy Terrace Crownhill R S O S Devon, St Budeaux, Devon, England

George Henry Pengelly Head Married Male Postman 36 1875 St Budeaux Devon
Mary Elizabeth Pengelly Wife Married Female - 35 1876 St Budeaux Devon
Ivy Elizabeth Pengelly Daughter Single Female School 10 1901 Princetown Devon
Olive May Pengelly Daughter Single Female - 7 1904 Princetown Devon

Many trees on Ancestry have the above 1919 death posted by Flip but this is incorrect as they are two different people - note the service numbers**

The 1919 death:

William Pengelly

Birth: unknown
Death: Jan. 6, 1919

280059 Petty Officer Stoker William Pengelly ****
Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Vivid"
Died age 46

Son of John and Elizabeth Pengelly

Burial:
Caister Cemetery
Caister-on-Sea
Great Yarmouth Borough
Norfolk, England
Plot: A. 122.

Created by: Stephen Farnell
Record added: Oct 25, 2012
Find A Grave Memorial# 99552123

Service record:
Name: William Pengelly
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1876
Birth Place: Budlake, Devon
Service Number: 280059
First Service Date: 1 Jul 1895
First Ship Served On: Vivid II
Last Service Date: 11 Dec 1916
Last Ship Served On: Vivid II
5' 6" Dark Hair, Hazel eyes, Fresh complexion - Labourer.

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This is the one we are looking for ??:

Service record:
Name: William Henry Pengelly
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1872
Birth Place: Stonehouse, Devon
Service Number: 268355 *****
First Service Date: 24 Nov 1894
First Ship Served On: Vivid II
Last Service Date: 27 Nov 1902
Last Ship Served On: Vivid II
5' 4" Brown hair & eyes, Fair complexion - Engine Smith

Dea x

I think this could be the 1872 one, but father named as NOK so possibly not the right one.

PENGELLY, WILLIAM

Rank:Petty Officer StokerTrade:PensionerService No:280059Date of Death:06/01/1919Age:46Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.S. "Vivid" Grave Reference:A. 122.Cemetery:CAISTER OLD CEMETERYAdditional Information:Son of John and Elizabeth Pengelly.

There's something strange going on!

The children are listed on the own on the 1911 census in Plymouth.

This is the mother in 1911- she's listed as single but I think it's her:

Name: Ellen Pengelly
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tamerton Foliott, Devon
Civil Parish: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Street address: 19 Bath Lane, Plymouth
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: sewing
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration District Number: 276
Sub-registration district: Plymouth South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 402
Piece: 12982
Name Age
Ellen Pengelly 38
Ellen Pengelly 7
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Possible birth for Ellen?

PENGELLY, NELLIE mother's maiden name: COLE
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 315
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In 1914 she's listed on a school register- guardian is Plympton Guard Children's Home

National School Admission Registers & Log-books
First name(s) Ellen
Last name Pengelly
Event year 1914
Admission date 21 Sep 1914
Birth year 1904
Birth date 10 Feb 1904
School name Crownhill Schools
Town St Budeaux
County Devon
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Father's name Plympton Guard Children's home

Can't see anything yet- the 1872 man might not be correct, I'm still looking.

On the baptism for son William Thomas, William is listed is a Stoker RN.

Any idea of when he died? still cant find anything

Wm H Pengelly

in the 1911 England Census
View 1911 England Census

Name: Wm H Pengelly
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Birth Place: Stonehouse, Devon, England
Civil Parish: China and East Indies
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County/Island: Royal Navy - (ship - Cadmus)
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Registration District Number: 640
ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels
Piece: 34972
Also states that he was a Wesleyan and an Artificer Engineer.

Dea x

EDIT: Information below incorrect- our William born in St Budeaux, Devon and was a stoker

Possible Naval record for William:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7240068

Reference: ADM 188/429/268355
Description:
Name Pengelly, William Henry
Official Number: 268355
Place of Birth: Stonehouse, Devon
Date of Birth: 20 March 1872
Date: [1894]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in its original department Vol No.268-1
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
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Aboard ship in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First name(s) William H
Last name Pengelly
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Ship: Cadmus
Occupation Artificer engineer
Age 39
Birth year 1872
Birth place Stonehouse Devon
County Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Country Ships And Overseas Establishments
Archive reference RG14
Registration district number 640
Enumeration district 11
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN34972 RD640 SD3 ED11 SN9999
Piece number 34972

National School Admission Registers & Log-books

First name(s) Mary
Last name Pengelly
Event year 1906
Admission date 08 Jan 1906
Birth year 1898
Birth date 14 Nov 1898
School name Mount Street Schools
Town Plymouth
County Devon
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Father's name William

Same birth date (1 year out) on 1939 register):

Pike Household (6 People) 18 Orchard Villas Orchard Avenue , Plymouth C.B., Devon, England

John H Pike 16 Apr 1897 Male Builders Labourer Married
Mary E Pike 14 Nov 1898 Female Unpaid Dd Married
Doris W Nicholson (Pike) 01 Jul 1922 Female Clothing Machinist Single
George T Pike 10 Mar 1924 Male Builders Can Boy Single
Stanley J Pike 19 Aug 1928 Male At School Single
Gordon H Pike 24 Mar 1930 Male At School Single

Possible baptism:

First name(s) John Henry
Last name Pike
Birth year 1896
Birth date 16 Apr 1896
Baptism year 1898
Baptism date 01 Feb 1898
Denomination Anglican
Place Wembury
Father's first name(s) Harry (Occ: Ploughman)
Mother's first name(s) Sarah Jane
County Devon
Page 59
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
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National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914
First name(s) John Henry
Last name Pike
Event year 1905
Admission date 10 Apr 1905
Birth year 1896
Birth date 16 Apr 1896
School name Crownhill Schools
Town St Budeaux
County Devon
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Father's name Harry
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Craptone Farm Cottage, Buckland Monachorum, Tavistock, Devon, England

Henry Pike Head Married Male 33 1868 Agricultural Labourer Devon, England
Sarah J Pike Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Plymouth, Devon, England
Henry C White Step Son - Male 13 1888 - Devon, England
Alfred J Pike Son - Male 8 1893 - Devon, England
Sarah L J Pike Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Devon, England
John H Pike Son - Male 3 1898 - Cornwall, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
18 Cobourg Lane Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England

Henry Pike Head Married Male Match Seller 45 1866 -
Sarah Pike Wife Married Female - 45 1866 -
Sarah Louie Pike Daughter - Female Servant Domestic 17 1894 Crownhil
John H Pike Son - Male - 15 1896 Cornwood Devon
Samuel Pike Son - Male School 10 1901 Buckland Devon
Alfred F Pike Son - Male Farm Labourer 18 1893 Buckland Devon

(saw below, but not right Father)

Chris :)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Mary Eliz
Last name Pengelly
Event year 1912
Admission date 08 Jul 1912
Year of re-admission
Birth year 1898
Birth date 14 Nov 1898
School name Crownhill Schools
Town St Budeaux
County Devon
Father's name G H Pengelly

(also James Henry (16/9/1901) Address, 3. Meavy Terrace)


Edits (on 1898 Baptism image, from Shirley above, William occ. Stoker R N)

??PIKE, JOHN HENRY WHITE Order
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY Volume 05B Page 201

A possible?
Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)

Pike Henry Plympton 5b 437 Scan available - click to view
White Sarah Plympton 5b 437 Scan available - click to view

WILLIAM
Last name PENGELLY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1897
Registration month -
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Sydney Francis Williams, Ellen Cole, !!!!! Alice Merrifield
District Stoke Damerel
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 543
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Ties with Mary E birth
PENGELLY, MARY ELIZABETH COLE
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY Volume 05B Page 180

PENGELLY, JAMES HENRY COLE
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY Volume 05B Page 173

PENGELLY, WILLIAM THOMAS COLE
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL Volume 05B Page 298

It doesn't give the fathres name on the 1901 census

Ellen is down as head of house as states she is a sailers wife .presume he was at at sea

Maybe 1891 census
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

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Census details
First name(s) William
Last name Pengelly
Relationship Crew
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 19
Birth year 1872
Occupation Stoke 2nd Class
Birth town Kingsbridge
Birth town as transcribed KINGSBRIDGE
Birth county Devon
Birth county as transcribed DEVONSHIRE
Birth place England
Street -
Town Devonport
Parish Devonport
City Devonport
County Devon
Registration district Stoke Damerel
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 1745
Folio 136
Page 17
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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