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Yes, Stanley is listed on the 1939 register, by this time he is known as Stanley Cockshaw, living in Leicester, married to Kate with four children

Malcolm

Is this Stanley in the 1939 Register? It gives his birth date as 26th October 1906.:-

Household (1 Person)
Napsbury Hospital , St Albans R.D., Hertfordshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) ROLE DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Stanley Healey Patient 26 Oct 1906 Male Plasterer Single 61 115

Kath. x

Thanks again for your help.

I have the marriage cert for the 1915 wedding when both gave incorrect ages. Harry gives his age as 36 when he was actually 32, he was born in 1883. Lily gives her age as 28 when she was actually 35, being born in 1880.

I researched the Lily Susannah Healey born in 1887 and she is a different person, not the Lily Healey the mother of Stanley born in 1906.

I cannot find any records of Thomas, Lily or Stanley Healey on the 1911 census and also cannot trace Harry Cockshaw in 1911.

Harry Cockshaw was a regular soldier with the Rifle Brigade from 1901 to around 1910/11, and also serving throughout the Great War.

Malcolm

The person who married Harry Cockshaw in 1915 was 28 at the time making a birth date of around 1887. I don't think this person had been married before as her father's name was also Healey. This is the marriage:-

First name(s) Harry
Last name Cockshaw
Age 36
Birth year 1879
Residence Providence Square
Father's first name(s) Harry
Father's last name Cockshaw
Marriage year 1915
Marriage date 16 Dec 1915
Spouse's first name(s) Lily
Spouse's last name Healey
Spouse's age 28
Spouse's residence Providence Square
Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's father's last name Healey
Denomination Anglican
Place Loughborough, All Saints
County Leicestershire
Country England
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Archive reference DE2601/7
Record set Leicestershire Marriages

This is a possible birth for her:-

First name(s) LILY SUSANNAH
Last name HEALEY
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Leicester
County Leicestershire
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 208
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

Thank you all for your kind help.

The Lillian Collins born in 1887 is not the same Lilian who was the mother of Stanley Frederick born in 1906. Born in 1880 in Whitnash, Warwickshire, she married Harry Cockshaw in 1915 and died Nottingham 1944.

The information I am trying to find refers to Stanley Frederick's father, Thomas Healey.

Thanks again

Malcolm

This has already been looked in great depth :-(


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364008?page=1

I've accessed these records before!

National School Admission Registers
First name(s) Stanley
Last name Healey
Birth year 1906
Birth date 06 Oct 1906
Event year 1913
School name Derby British School, Orchard Street School (Later Lancaster Secondary Modern) Infants
Town Derby
County Derbyshire
Abode: Back 22 Goodwin Street
Name of last scool: Leicester
Country England
Parent name(s) Harry (In Prison)
Book type Admissions

Lilian Gladys Collins
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Leamington Priors, Warwickshire, England
County Warwickshire
Civil Parish Leamington Priors
Ecclesiastical Parish Leamington Priors All Saints
Sub-District Leamington
Registration District Warwick
Residence Note Grove Street
Gender Female
Age 21
Occupation GENERAL SERVANT (DOMESTIC)
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1880
Birthplace Leamington, Warwickshire
Schedule Type 30
Page Number 3

Whitnash is a small town contiguous with both Leamington Spa and Warwick in Warwickshire,

Looks like the birth you have picked up but it doesn't tie up

Births Dec 1880
Collins Lilian Mary Warwick 6d 562

Whitnash comes under Warwick reg district

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Holly Cottage, Whitnash, Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Sarah Barlow - Widow Female 40 1851 Laundress Whitnash, Warwickshire,
Lily Collins Niece - Female 10 1881 Scholar Whitnash, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) LILIAN MARY
Last name COLLINS
Birth year 1880
Birth quarter 4
District Warwick
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 562

COLLINS, LILIAN MARY (mother's maiden name: COPELAND )
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 562

could this be the one who married 1913
MARY LILIAN G
Last name COLLINS
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Leeds
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9B

1891
Joshua Collins Head Married Male 41 1850 Labourer General Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary J Collins Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Bromsgrove, Nottinghamshire, England
Transcription
Charles J Collins Son - Male 10 1881 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Henry J Collins Son - Male 8 1883 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Francis H Collins Son - Male 6 1885 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Mary L G Collins Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Edith A Collins Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Leeds, Yorkshire, Eng

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

Name:Frederick Richmond

Birth Year:abt 1894

Age:19

Marriage or Bann Date:22 Mar 1913

Parish:Leeds, All Saints, Yorkshire, England

Spouse: Lillian Gertrude Mary Collins

Father:William Richmond

Spouse Father:Joshua Collins

Do you actually have Lilian's birth certificate? If so what is her exact date of birth as you say she was born in Warwickshire? If you don't have her birth certificate where have you got this information from?

Kath. x

That Lilian has a different birtt year and diff second name


First name(s) LILLIAN GERTRUDE M
Last name RICHMOND
Gender Female
Birth day 22
Birth month 3
Birth year 1887
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1979
District Leeds
County Yorkshire
Volume 5
Page 0259
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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Doesn't help in finding his father, but Stanley's baptism

County KEN
Place Dartford
Church name Holy Trinity
Register type PR
Register entry number 1448
Baptism date 29 Oct 1906
Person forename Stanley Frederick
Person sex ?
Person abode Westwood, Southfleet
Father forename Thomas
Father surname HEALEY
Father occupation Farm Labourer
Mother forename Lilian

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new

If she did marry Frederick Richmond, this is them in 1939 (birth year 1887)




Richmond Household (6 People)

35 Belmont View , Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Frederick Richmond 26 Feb 1893 Male Loose Wool & Price Dyer Married 173 1
Lilian (Mary L G) Richmond 22 May 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 173 2
Leslie Richmond 22 Jan 1916 Male Backhouse Labourer Single 173 3
Ronald Richmond 22 Apr 1925 Male Telegraph Boy Single 173 4
John Marsden 10 May 1921 Male Cloth Warehouseman Married 173 5
Edna (L) de Moore (Marsden) 08 Aug 1922 Female Wool Spinner Married 173 6

Are you sure she married again in 1915? It's just that this would seem to be her marriage in 1913:-

First name(s) LILLIAN G M
Last name COLLINS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1913
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LILLIAN G M COLLINS married
Frederick Richmond
Spouse's last name Richmond
District Leeds
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9B
Page 612
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008

If she DID marry again in 1915 who did she marry then and where?

Kath. x

Have you found any of them on the 1911 census

Not seeing the birth of Stanley or the later marriage of Lilian at the mo

Edit well the gro lists it

HEALEY, STANLEY FREDERICK COLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 632

I am trying to trace any information regarding a Thomas Healey. The only info I have on him is that he is listed as the father on the birth certificate of Stanley Frederick Healey, born 6th Oct 1906 in Dartford, Kent. Thomas's occupation is given as Farm Labourer living at, The Huts, Westwood, Southfleet, Kent.
I presume 'The Huts' refer to the huts used during the hop picking season on the farm.

I have no idea of the age, place of birth etc for Thomas. His partner, Lilian, Gladys, Mary Healey (formerly COLLINS), listed as the mother of Stanley was born in Whitnash, Warwickshire in 1880. She eventually married again in 1915 to a different person.

I appreciate how difficult but any info on Thomas Healey would be gratefully received.

Malcolm