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Hi Sylvialn, I'm still, very much, a beginner at this. So i take your points and really appreciate the advice. I tried to explain what i had at the start of this thread but, i fully understand now, what you are saying and will spend a lot longer with detailing what is required. When adding to an old/existing thread, how is the new query highlighted?
Thanks.

Bob ...............


Chris posted at 17:44 a copy and paste from your previous thread .............. knowing that you had that, but WE the helpers do not.

Witness malyon looking for baptisms in Warwickshire, because she did not kbow that your guy was born in Wales.

This is one of the reasons why it is preferable not to start a new thread about the same people, even if it is for a different event.

Hi, Shirley, Chris and Malyon, I have got all that thanks. I have a birth cert for their last child ALFRED (my great grandad). That gave me OWENS as mother's maiden name. I also have the birth dates or years of the rest ( some also with same maiden name).
The only one i don't have is for Thomas the coach trimmer (my g/g/Grandad). As i stated. i end up with at least 6 or 7 poss mums and dads of a Thomas Jones born in Wrexham around the time ( in 1841 he is 30 and 1851 42). No great surprise there, as you say Chris, researching Jones's in Wales!
Hi Greyghost, Maddie was kind enough to respond to an earlier thread re: searching for a marriage.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363782

(ah!, google search bringing above)

Chris :)


Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 18 Dec 2016 12:46

Baptism
County Denbighshire
Place Wrexham
Church name Pen-y-bryn
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 05 Aug 1832
Birth date 30 Jun 1832
Person forename Henry
Father forename Thomas
Father surname JONES
Mother forename Sarah


Baptism
County Denbighshire
Place Wrexham
Church name Pen-y-bryn
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 12 Sep 1830
Birth date 07 Aug 1830
Person forename William
Father forename Thomas
Father surname JONES
Mother forename Sarah

(if Henry and William from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
Thomas Jones Head Married Male 42 1809 Coach Trimmer Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Sarah Jones Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
William Jones Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Sailor Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Henry Jones Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Rail Engineer Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Harriet Jones Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Edwin Jones Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Jones Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Emma Jones Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Chester, Cheshire, England
Alfred Jones Son - Male 1 1850 - Chester, Cheshire, England
Street Brook Street West
Parish Saint Oswalds
City Chester
County Cheshire
Parliamentary borough Chester
Municipal ward Saint Oswald?s Ward & Saint John?s Ward
Registration district Great Boughton
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2172
Folio 70
Page 31

Edits (if above was family?)

?? Has this been researched before - cibobder's reply to Maddie at 1239 re a marriage posted reads -

Hi Maddie, I got that from you originally, thanks for the witnesses.

cibobder Report 12 Mar 2017 12:15

Hi, I'm researching my G/G/Grandad THOMAS JONES. I believe i have all the available info from Census. BMDs etc for him , his wife and their 9 kids.


As you are stating above, when was last child born, any after 1837?, as Shirley says, to get Maiden Name of Mother?...

Bit confusing, and would imagine Jones and Thomas, quite a few!...

Chris :)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(if after 1837, check on above, for Mother maiden Name)

Thomas Jones
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name
Thomas Jones
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1841
Event Place
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Residence Note
Factory Road
Gender
Male
Age
30-34
Age (Original)
30
Birth Year (Estimated)
1807-1811
Registration District
Birmingham
Book Number
6
Parish
Birmingham
County
Warwickshire
Page Number
6
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
1139/51
Affiliate Record Type
Household

Thomas Jones

M
30-34

Sarah Jones

F
25-29

Mary Jones

F
1
Warwickshire
Thomas Reynolds

M
25-29

there a re few Thomas jones born Wrexham 1808 do you know the date he was born?

Have you confirmed her maiden name from one of children's birth certs

Hi Malyon, Many Thanks. My G/G/Gdad was born in Wrexham but, the Birmingham marriage is the only one i can find. I may be on the wrong track and i'm sorry if i misled you. bob.

Thomas Jones
England Births and Christenings
Name
Thomas Jones
Gender
Male
Christening Date
19 Jan 1808
Christening Place
SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name
Thomas Jones
Mother's Name
Amey

Thomas Jones
England Births and Christenings
Name
Thomas Jones
Gender
Male
Christening Date
27 Mar 1808
Christening Place
ST JOHN,DERITEND AND BORDESLEY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name
James Jones
Mother's Name
Mary

Hi Shirley, Sorry. Thomas my G/G/Grandad was born c1808 and his 1st child was born 7/8/1830. So i assume the marriage was before this event.

Hi Maddie, I got that from you originally, thanks for the witnesses.

witnesses robert powell and alexander sanderson
Thomas Jones

in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
View Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Name: Thomas Jones
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1829
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Sarah Owens
Spouse Gender: Female
Reference Number: DRO 34/43
Archive Roll: M114

When was Thomas born please as all the dates are confusing

Did he marry after 1837 so there is a marriage cert that should name his father

Hi, I'm researching my G/G/Grandad THOMAS JONES. I believe i have all the available info from Census. BMDs etc for him , his wife and their 9 kids.
The problem is that i can't confirm the id of his parents. Births throw up a poss 6 or 7. The only marriage i can find (Findmypast) for a THOMAS JONES and SARAH OWENS at about the right time is 1829 in Birmingham (going by their ages and their first child's), but no Parent details.
I've come across an 1851 Census with ELIZABETH and THOMAS JONES and 2 Grandsons THOMAS and JOHN whose ages are same/similar to THOMAS and SARAH's 3rd and 4th sons (from 1841 Census in Liverpool). The only trouble is, that would mean THOMAS and ELIZABETH were 11/12 when my G/G/Grandad was born c1808. Coincidence or have they lied about their ages for some reason?
I would be grateful for any tips. Bob.