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Don't know if it is relevant but in 1897 a Mrs. Walter Duff is listed at the Fifeshire Inn in South Street, Perth and I have found a Walter Duff earlier as a Wine and Spirit Dealer. I'm wondering if this is your John's wine and spirit connection.

I have to go out shortly but will try to dig a little deeper into that later (if nobody else can in the meantime). It might help even for elimination purposes.

This family. Need to search more on Walter's parents and siblings.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
53, South Street, Middle Church, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland

Walter Duff Head Married Male 47 1834 Inn Keeper Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Mary Ann Duff Wife Married Female 41 1840 Inn Keepers Wife Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Eliza Duff Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1861 Housekeeper Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Walter Duff Son Unmarried Male 18 1863 Apprentice Ironmonger Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
John Duff Son - Male 14 1867 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Mary Ann Duff Daughter - Female 12 1869 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
James Duff Son - Male 11 1870 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Cathrine B Duff Daughter - Female 9 1872 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Robert P Duff Son - Male 6 1875 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Charles P Duff Son - Male 7 1874 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Margart Mcl Duff Daughter - Female 4 1877 Scholar Perth, Perthshire, Scotland


From the birth of the children Mary Ann's maiden name is Christie

rootgatherer
is this the one

in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946

Name: Walter Duff
Publication Year: 1887
Address: 105 High street h 101
Residence Place: Perthshire, Scotland
Occupation: Wine And Spirit Merchant
Publication Title: 1887 Leslie's Directory

ame: Walter Duff
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Sep 1857
Marriage Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Spouse: Mary Ann Christie
FHL Film Number: 6035516

high street runs parallel to south street

1841

Piece: SCT1841/387 Place: Perth -Perth Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Perth-St Leonards Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Perth-St Leonards
Folio: 1 Page: 11
Address: Kinnoul Causeway

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DUFF William M 35 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Perth
DUFF Cathrine F 30 Perth
DUFF Elizabeth F 9 Perth
DUFF Walter M 5 Perth
DUFF Willm. M 3 Perth
DUFF Janet F 8m Perth
BRUCE Wm. M 25 Blacksmith

Thanks Maddie. I knew I had seen it somewhere.

Just need now to try to follow up on Walter's siblings who may have been old enough to be a parent to John.

maybe strange but william in 1841 comes back to the one in 1861 on page one a concertina maker

parents

Name: William Duff
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1830
Marriage Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Spouse: Catharine Bruce

her brother ??? in 1841 census

Not that it helps but finally found Walter Mistranscribed in 1851


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Meal Vennel Ballingalls Land, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland

William Hupp Head Married Male 44 1807 Cotton Weaver Perthshire, Scotland
Cathaine Hupp Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Perthshire, Scotland
Walter Hupp Son - Male 15 1836 Rope Maker Perthshire, Scotland
William Hupp Son - Male 13 1838 Scholar Perthshire, Scotland
Catharine Hupp Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Perthshire, Scotland
Mary Hupp Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Perthshire, Scotland

clearly the wedding cert is needed

can't find any connections to Baxters, their business was in forfarshire

Thankyou everyoune. Appreciated :-)

I thought Baxters was Speyside or Moray nearer Aberdeenshire. I think parts of Forfarshire (Angus) were sometimes classed as Perthshire. John O Duff specifies his birth place as Perth on the census records.

I just wonder if, when he said his family were in the wine and spirit trade, he was actually referring to an uncle?

Are you intending to buy the marriage certificate Deborah? If you do can you please come back to the thread and tell us who John's father is please?

I will let you all know. Xxxx

Thank you Deborah :-)