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JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 21 May 2017 20:36


I didn't see a Horn marriage posted by malyon, malyon did you post one?


But malyon, two people born in Cambridgeshire would have met/married in Kent? and had their first child in Cambridgeshire? In any case, from the baptisms Sylvia posted, one of the children was baptised in 1827 in Cambridgeshire the year before the 1828 marriage.

So the idea may not have been completely off the wall to start with, but I think that baptism in 1827 followed closely by the other baptisms rules out the 1828 Kent marriage to Avis.


Norfolkboy maybe you had seen these at famlysearch

John Kirby
marriage: 1805
Wrawby, Lincoln, England
spouse: Mary Horn

John Kirby
marriage: 18 November 1799
Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
spouse: Elizabeth Horn

but they are both way too early and nowhere near where you should be looking.

malyon

malyon Report 21 May 2017 18:03

I did post a marriage to mary avis

I those days people went all over the place to find work some times leaving the youngest children at home

could he have been married twice

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 21 May 2017 17:52

malyon posted it, then i think, deleted it ?

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 21 May 2017 03:11

because the 1841 cut&paste is completely incomprehensible, I'm redoing it in legible format and omitting useless info, for my info and for anyone else who might want to be able to grasp the info


Name John Kirby
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St Mary Wisbeck, Cambridgeshire, England
Residence Note Wisbech St Mary
Gender Male
Age 50-54
Age (Original) 50
Birth Year (Estimated) 1787-1791
Birthplace Cambridgeshire
Registration District Wisbeck
Parish St Mary Wisbeck
County Cambridgeshire

John Kirby M 50-54 Cambridgeshire
Mary Ann Kirby F 48-52 Cambridgeshire
Elizebeth Kirby F 12 Cambridgeshire
Robert Kirby M 10 Cambridgeshire
Mary Ann Kirby F 8 Cambridgeshire
John Kirby M 4 Cambridgeshire

I can't imagine a reason why two people who were born, lived, and had their children in Cambridgeshire would have married in Kent.

So Mary Ann Avis? Not very likely.


'So is it Horn or Avis ??'

Where is 'Horn' coming from?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 May 2017 00:28

I certainly have not found any evidence to conclusively say what Mary Ann's surname was :-(

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 21 May 2017 00:04

Many Thanks All,
it's The marriage & Mary Ann's maiden name i need.
So is it Horn or Avis ??

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 May 2017 23:40

For what it is worth ............

The John Kirby / Mary Ann Avis marriage that malyon posted .........

West Wickham is in Kent, on the outskirts of London


The only Mary Ann Avis that I can find was baptised in Norfolk ...................

County Norfolk
Place (link for place information) Thompson
Church name St Martin
Register type Archdeacon's Transcripts
Baptism date 31 May 1795
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Father forename Michael
Father surname AVIS
Mother forename Jane
Mother surname HARDY
Witness
Witness
Register note Jane Hardy Spinster At Marriage.
Transcriber notes

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 May 2017 23:18

have you got all the children???

from freereg

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1185
Baptism date 25 Jan 1835
Person forename Alice
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbeach St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary Ann
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1118
Baptism date 16 Jun 1833
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbeach St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary Ann
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 967
Baptism date 25 Jul 1830
Person forename Robert
Person sex M
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 875
Baptism date 17 Apr 1829
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 809
Baptism date 19 Aug 1827
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary Ann
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes


?? I think this one Mary Ann must have died ....

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 809
Baptism date 19 Aug 1827
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary Ann
Witness
Witness
Register note
Transcriber notes

Here's her burial ..........

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 493
Burial date 18 Apr 1828
Person age 8m
Burial person forename Mary Ann
Burial person surname KIRBY
Burial person abode Wisbech St Marys
Witness
Witness
Register note Performed by Robt. KING, Curate



It's hard to know if these children are from "your" family or not!!. Certainly the births fall within the correct age range for John and Mary Ann, although only the name Mary is used.

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 712
Baptism date 11 Dec 1825
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mark

Mary Ann died ...........

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 416
Burial date 08 Nov 1826
Person age 11m
Burial person forename Mary Ann
Burial person surname KIRBY
Burial person abode Wisbech St Marys
Witness
Witness
Register note Performed by Robt. KING, Curate

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 599
Baptism date 11 May 1823
Person forename Zachariah
Person sex M
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 518
Baptism date 17 Feb 1822
Person forename Robert
Person sex M
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

Died ...........

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 299
Burial date 10 Jan 1824
Person age 2
Burial person forename Robert
Burial person surname KIRBY
Burial person abode Wisbech St Marys
Witness
Witness
Register note Performed by Robt. KING, Curate


County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 432
Baptism date 26 Nov 1820
Person forename James
Person sex M
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 340
Baptism date 04 Apr 1819
Person forename Samuel
Person sex M
Person abode St Marys
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 213
Baptism date 25 Dec 1816
Person forename Sarah
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

County Cambridgeshire
Place (link for place information) Wisbech
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 131
Baptism date 21 May 1815
Person forename Frances
Person sex F
Person abode Wisbech St Mary
Father forename John
Father surname KIRBY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

malyon

malyon Report 20 May 2017 22:46

John Kirby
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:
1828
West Wickham, England
spouse:
Mary Ann Avis

malyon

malyon Report 20 May 2017 22:42

John Kirby
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name
John Kirby
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1841
Event Place
St Mary Wisbeck, Cambridgeshire, England
Residence Note
Wisbech St Mary
Gender
Male
Age
50-54
Age (Original)
50
Birth Year (Estimated)
1787-1791
Birthplace
Cambridgeshire
Registration District
Wisbeck
Parish
St Mary Wisbeck
County
Cambridgeshire
Page Number
11
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
78/8
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Kirby

M
50-54
Cambridgeshire
Mary Ann Kirby

F
48-52
Cambridgeshire
Elizebeth Kirby

F
12
Cambridgeshire
Robert Kirby

M
10
Cambridgeshire
Mary Ann Kirby

F
8
Cambridgeshire
John Kirby

M
4
Cambridgeshire

malyon

malyon Report 20 May 2017 22:36

Elisabeth Kirby
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 April 1829
WISBECH-ST MARY, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND
father:
John Kirby
mother:
Mary

malyon

malyon Report 20 May 2017 22:34

Robert Kirby
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth:
1831
Cambridgeshire
residence:
1841
St Mary Wisbeck, Cambridgeshire, England
other:
John Kirby, Mary Ann Kirby, Elizebeth Kirby

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 20 May 2017 21:06

Looking for Marriage of John & Mary, also her maiden name if possible
1851 Census
John Kirby Head M 63 Leverington, Cambridgeshire
Mary Ann Kirby Wife F 56 Gosberton, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Kirby Daughter F 21 Wisbech St Mary,Cambridgeshire
Robert Kirby Son M 20 Wisbech St Mary, Cambridgeshire
Harriett Kirby Grand Daughter F 3 Wisbech St Mary, Cambridgeshire