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Hello all,

On the 1911 census it states for the parents that there were 8 children (0 died) so I went on a mission to find them... some of the same family and the children were found for me on my other post ... Just for reference..

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366060?page=1


So here's the info I have...

Elizabeth Bisp married Alfred William Smart in 1882 Barton Regis.
In 1911 it states they had 8 children..
I have found a lot of valuable information and baptism parish records on the Frenchay Museum website...
This is the children I have found...

Elizabeth Bertha Bisp - born 1881 to her mother who was a single mother at the time..Illegitimate child whose name then became Bertha Elizabeth Smart when her mother married Alfred....I am thinking that Bertha is being named as one of the 8 children.
After then we have from Baptism records...

Florry Louise b.1883
Ethel b.1884
Hannah b.1886
Alice b. 1892
Arthur Edward b.1895
Hilda Louise b. 1898

All born in Winterbourne, Gloucestershire.
Baptisms registered in St Michael's C of E parish Church.

So there we have 7 children.... where is number 8??

If anyone can solve this, I would be so happy
:-D

Use the gro site that you can search for using the mothers maiden name now

www.gro.gov.uk

I will have a look Shirley - thanks... :-)

Have you found the family on any earlier census than the 1911 one ,that should show the children at home

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne Hill, Winterbourne, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Smart Wife Married Female 28 1863 Tailoress Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Berth Smart Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Florence Smart Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Esther Smart Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Hannah Smart Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Lilley Smart - - Female 2 1889 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England

This is the 1891 census ... I cant seem to place where Lilley comes into this...

Ahhhhh Lily !!

Looks like she is the 8th Child....

Mothers maiden name is Bisp!

Cannot seem to find a baptism record even though there is one for all the other 7 children!

Not unless another Bisp married a Smart....

Tried looking for some of the children you quote but not coming up with mmn bishop

This looks like Hannah
SMART, HANNAH BLISS
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A page 182

So have you got any certs to confirm the names

SMART, ALICE BISP
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 178

SMART, LILY BISP Order
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 180

SMART, HILDA LOUISA BISS Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 176


Mmn is hopelessly out on the records
Am guessing they coulnt read or write so the name is spelt as it sounded to the registrar

Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
County
Gloucestershire
Civil Parish
Winterbourne
Ecclesiastical Parish
Winterbourne St Michael
Sub-District
Winterbourne
Registration District
Barton Regis
Residence Note
Winterbourne Hill
Gender
Female
Age
3
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1898
Birthplace
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type
90
Page Number
14
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Elizebeth Smart
Head
F
40
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Florence Smart
Daughter
F
17
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Ethel Smart
Daughter
F
16
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Hannah Smart
Daughter
F
15
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Lily Smart
Daughter
F
12
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Alice Smart
Daughter
F
8
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Arthur Smart
Son
M
6
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire
Hilda Smart
Daughter
F
3
Winterbourn, Gloucestershire

Thank you all !!

Yes, the surname is BISP but has been BISH, BISS BLISS etc - quite frustrating!

Thank you for finding the birth info and also the 1901 census :-)

question....

why would 7 out of 8 children be baptised....(including the illegitimate) but one child is missed out??

The child missing is smack bang in the middle - age wise too.

Puzzling....

Donna