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Hi folks

Though I've been doing this for a while, I still seem to come up with the odd stumper. So here goes....

Mary Ann Crew (born 1852, Hanham, Gloucstershire) married George Hawkins (1851-89) and had 9 children betwen 1870 and 1888.

Fast forward to 1896. Her son, George Samuel Hawkins (born 1877) enlists in the Army, and names his next of kin as Mary Ann Bateman (mother).

Sometime between this date and the 1901 census, she moves from Ystrad Rhondda, South Wales, back to hir birthplace of Hanham, where we find her on the 1901 census, once again widowed, and living with her daughter Rosina (listed on the census as Rose). She is, once again, widowed.

By 1911, she is back in the Rhondda Valley, living with her widowed son, William Hawkins and his stepson, Cliffiord. At that point, she's reverted to the Hawkins surname.

One problem, though - the FreeBMD seach brings up no likely marriage to a Mr Bateman, no matter what combination of names I try.

Can anyone suggest how I can crack this nut?

I assume this is her in 1891

Ystrad Road, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Hawkins Head Widower Male 61 1830 Grocer Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Hawkins Daughter Widow Female 40 1851 ­ Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Hawkins Granddaughter Single Female 20 1871 ­ Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
Martha Ann Hawkins Granddaughter Single Female 18 1873 ­ Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary Ann Hawkins Granddaughter Single Female 16 1875 ­ Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
George Samuel Hawkins Grandson Single Male 14 1877 Collier Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
William James Hawkins Grandson ­ Male 10 1881 Scholar Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
Rosanna Hawkins Granddaughter ­ Female 6 1885 Scholar Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales
Isaac Charles Hawkins Grandson ­ Male 4 1887 ­ Ystrad, Glamorgan,

But how can she be the daughter of George Hawkins on that 1891 census?

I expect it should be daughter-in-law? Perhaps George referred to her as 'daughter' because she had been married to his son?

I assume she is daughter in law and he was her husbands father

1901 for reference.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stone Hill Hanham, Oldland (Gloucs), Keynsham, Somerset, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary A Bateman Head Widow Female 48 1853 Washerwoman Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Transcription
Rose Haskins Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Bootmaker Ystrad, Glamorgan, Wales

IF she was married to Mr Bateman -

The only Batemans who died in Pontypridd district between 1891 and 1901 were children.

In Keynsham district, the only possibles are:
Samuel Joseph, aged 26 in 1891,
George, aged 38 in 1894,
William, aged 36 in 1894,
another George, aged 67 in 1894,
Frank, aged 48 in 1899


But no, there is no record of a likely marriage.
It looks as if they weren't married, but she was using his name.

is this mary ann Hawkins death

Deaths Mar 1910   (>99%)

HAWKINS
 Mary Ann
 57
 Bristol
 6a
34

Have found this will info and wonder if it could be the right couple?
Richard Bateman of the "Butcher's Arms" Clearwell Gloucestershire innkeeper died 8th August 1896.Administration London 3rd September to Mary Bateman widow Effects £60 11s 11d
I don't have a sub to check for them in a 1891 census to dismiss it.

Benjamin says she was in 1911 census so perhaps not her death in 1910

Richard Bateman who died in 1896 was born in 1838.

RICHARD
Last name BATEMAN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1838
Age 58
Death quarter 3
Death year 1896
District Monmouth


Could this be them in 1891? He could have changed jobs.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Little Hall, Newton Common, Welsh Newton, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Bateman Head Married Male 52 1839 Butcher South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England
Transcription
Mary Bateman Wife Married Female 42 1849 - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

I think this is the Richard bateman with wife mary above



Richard Bateman
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name
Richard Bateman
County
Monmouthshire
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1861
Event Place
Rockfield, Monmouthshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish
Monmouth
Registration District
Monmouth
Residence Note
Rockfield
Gender
Male
Age
23
Marital Status
Married
Occupation
Shepherd
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1838
Birthplace
South Cerney, Gloucestershire
Page Number
7
Registration Number
RG09
Piece/Folio
3985 / 20
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Richard Bateman
Head
M
23
South Cerney, Gloucestershire
Mary Bateman
Wife
F
31
Charlton, Gloucestershire

and Richards death
Deaths Sep 1896   (>99%)



Bateman
 Richard
 58
 Monmouth
 11a
11

Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Hawkins Martha 54 Pontypridd 11a 204

Wife of George on 1891, looking at below pehaps?...


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3372287/3372295/209/

Chris :)

http://newspapers.library.wales/

(Welsh Newspapers Online)


Edits (123 Shady Road, Ystrad, Rhonda. Address given for Mary Ann Bateman (Mother) on Army Record)


(and George below perhaps, his Death 1901?)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3120633/3120638/41/

Dydd Sul cyn y diweddaf terfynodd yr heniafgwr adhiabyddus Mr George Hawkins,, Ystrad Road, ei oes, Yr oedd yn uni o ym- ddiriedolwyr! cap el y Methodistiiaidl Cyntefig y lie.

Thyanks for all the feedback, guys.

The census in Welsh Newton posted by alviegal is definitely a red herring; as far as we know, Mary Ann was in the Rhondda until at least 1896, including on that census (as previously stated).

The earliest record we have of her being anywhere other than the Rhondda as an adult is the 1901 census, as identified above. This is followed by a 1902 military record for her youngest son, Isaac (see 1891 census for Ystrad Rhondda shown above), who lists her as his next-of-kin, at the same address in Hanham as the 1901 census shown above.

So, we're still no closer to identiying the mysterious Mr. Bateman......

What happened to Daughter Rosina (Rose)?, did she Marry, was Mary a Witness?...

Chris :)

HAWKINS, ROSINA (CREW)
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 414

(one below?)

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Green David Thomas Pontypridd 11a 1156
HARRIS Josephine Pontypridd 11a 1156
Harris Josephino Pontypridd 11a 1156
Hawkins Rosina Pontypridd 11a 1156

(not Josephine, she is with David 1911)
WHITE George Pontypridd 11a 1156

1911 (Find My Past)
George White Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 27 1884 Winscombe Somerset
Rosina White Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Ystrad Glamorgan
Address 70 High Street Treorchy
Parish Rhondda
County Glamorganshire
Census reference RG14 PN32346 RG78 PN1853A RD589 SD4 ED18 SN16
(says Married 4yrs, Children, none)


Anything for Mary in Probate, George?...(dated 1902)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3577703/3577708/43/

(some of Hawkins boys in above, Mourners. Samuel Hawkins Funeral 1908)

this looks like George Hawkins in 1861 with a son George born about 1850

George Hawkins
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name
George Hawkins
County
Monmouthshire
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1861
Event Place
Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire, England
Registration District
Newport
Residence Note
Upper Place Abercarn
Gender
Male
Age
31

Marital Status
Married
Occupation
Collier
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1830
Birthplace
, Gloucestershire
Page Number
37
Registration Number
RG09
Piece/Folio
4027 / 40
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Hawkins
Head
M
31
, Gloucestershire
Martha Hawkins
Daughter
F
33
..., Monmouthshire
George Hawkins
Son
M
10
..., Monmouthshire
Chas Hawkins
Son
M
9
Abercarn, Monmouthshire
Jonah Hawkins

M
7
Abercarn, Monmouthshire

and 1851 census

Event Type
Census
Event Date
1851
Event Place
Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District
Newport
Gender
Male
Age
21
Marital Status
Married
Occupation
Coal Miner
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1830
Birthplace
Bitton, Gloucestershire
Page Number
38
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
2453 / 352
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Hawkins
Head
M
21
Bitton, Gloucestershire
Martha Hawkins
Wife
F
22
Blaenai, Monmouthshire
George Hawkins xxxxxxx
Son
M
0
Blaenai, Monmouthshire

Thanks again, everyone.

I already had all the census stuff posted above, so there was no need to have posted it. My post was an attempt to find the mysterious Mr. Bateman, rather than anything about Mary Ann herself.

Chris - I have the marriage certificate for Rosina Hawkins and George White, dated 26/12/1906 and no, Mary Ann does not sign it as a witness - the witnesses are Lily Price and Frederick Thorne, the second one being the bride's brother-in-law. As it happens, the 1911 census is, so far, the most recent thing I have for them, though she IS mentioned [as "Mrs White, Treorky"] in the newspaper obit you provided a link to.

Anything for Mary in Probate, Father in Law George?...(dated 1902)

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Chris :)

Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Hawkins George 72 Pontypridd 11a 349

Name: George Hawkins
Death Date: 10 Nov 1901
Death Place: Glamorgan
Probate Date: 7 Feb 1902
Registry: London, England

George Hawkins of 160 ystrad rd ystrad Rhondda Glamorganshire Collier died the 10th Nov 1901 Probate London 7th Feb to James Hopes Collier.
Effect £139 11s 9d.