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Hmm..... Wonder if this is Mary's first husband


First name(s) Anton
Last name Frederickson
Gender Male
Age 41
Birth year 1848
Death year 1889
Vessel Mary Fraser
Year range 1889
Page 109
Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1846 to 1902)
Record set British Nationals Died Overseas 1818-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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That's great stuff---rootgatherer---I'm both impressed, and very grateful. I've got some piecing together to do, so, 'Poldark' first, then off we go. Arfermo.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Mary Louisa married in 1898. Here she is in 1939

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Flanagan Household (2 People)
43 Audley Street , Bootle C.B., Lancashire, England

Mary L Flanagan
DOB 13 Oct 1872
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Widows Pension,Retired
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 35
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Patrick Flanagan
DOB 06 Mar 1912
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Labourer (Sand Bag
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 35
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Half sister for Margaret?


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FREDRECKSON, MARY LOUISA MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 399

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Morris
Name note -
Marriage year 1871
Marriage date 09 Jun 1871
Marriage place Liverpool
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Morris
Spouse's first name(s) Anton
Spouse's last name Frederickson
Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's father's last name Frederickson
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Spelling of Mary's surname a little different on her marriage registration compared to Margaret's birth certificate.

MARY
Last name FREDERICKSON
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1876
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARY FREDERICKSON married one of these people
James Brown, Edward Jones
District West Derby
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 568
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain, England
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MY DEEPEST THANKS TO ALL WHO RESPONDED TO MY REQUEST FOR HELP. IN FINDING MY MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER MARGARET GOODWIN (FORMERLY CASEY---DITTO BROWN.) I NOW HAVE HER REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE----ARFERMO. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Hi folks--today I have received the 'Liverpool' ( vol 08b---Pg 21 ) entry for my Grandmother's birth certificate--ie. 24th September 1884, Reg. 3/11/1884, and it has some surprises. 'Mother of baby' is, Mary Brown.- late Fredrickson--'Formerly 'Morris'.. Fathers occupation--'Seaman'. Should I assume that Mary Brown was formerly married to a Mr Fredrickson, who died? As to the GRO 'refusal'. It can only be due to the fact that I copied the reg details from The GR print-off, which does not include the '0' prefix that GRO requires. Then it worked--so a point to note.
My Great Grand father--a 'Seaman' ---18 years later a Docker,-perfectly logical ( on 1903 daughter's wedding certificate. I think this is THE one, and I will accept it. Thank you all for your time and efforts.--Arfermo. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Arfemo.

You need to come back to your threads and take a look at the info.

Arfemo
Have you seen the 1901 census I put above..

According to that Margaret was born in Liverpool 1884

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(not sure if above would help, areas etc.)

Chris :)

Arfermo- not sure what you mean about the GRO searching system not recognising it.

Using the GRO to search the online index I put in Margaret Brown with mother's maiden name Morris, year 1884 and this is the result that I can order:

BROWN, MARGARET MORRIS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 21

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Arfermo, you could save others from making the same mistake with those wrong certs - if you go to the freebmd site

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Find the entry in the index for each cert that you have, click on the 'info' icon next to the entry, it will tell you how to add a post'em. The post 'em gives you just about enough space to squeeze in the pertinent details on the cert, so the next person who comes along gets that info. I do it with all my certs, right or wrong, as it can save others time and money.

AustinQ--you're an early bird, --I'm a Night Owler. , I'd been in bed 3 & half hours when you wrote. Thanks for your stamina. I tossed a coin, and lost, by choosing the wrong entry. Which was--'West Derby' vol 08b page 563. Almost every wrong 'un I have bought, was down to the father's occupation being way out . MY Great Grandfather James being a General Labourer or specifically, a Dock Labourer. This is written on his daughter Margaret's Wedding certificate, to James Casey. On this new certificate, This James Brown was a Machine Printer, a skilled job. It is unlikely that he would become a Labourer, but not impossible, during hard to find work periods. I tried the GRO searching system, using the second choice --'Liverpool' vol 8b----page 21, and their system didn't recognise it. I have written the details on their 'fault' page. If that hitch is resolved--I will buy the 'Liverpool' Cert. A regular problem lies in the fact that a date of birth, late in the year, is overlooked in favour of the date of registration--as in this case, and with daughter Annie. 1907/08. Thanks again-- Arfermo. :-(

Morning Arfermo,

Can you tell us the certificate you ordered that was wrong?

Was it the West Derby with mother's maiden name Thomson,

or the Liverpool birth with mother's maiden name Morris?

Dear me---yet another wrong 'un through the post this morning. Just when i really thought I'd found my grandmother's birth certificate, Margaret Brown- at last---Wrong father's profession. Anther tenner up my cassock. How I wish the father's occupation was available online, it might have saved me a small fortune. I have a dozen wrong Certificate's now--the usual main cause of failure is the info you cannot see before taking a chance. Does anyone know if a certain organisation on line, that accepted 'wrong' certificates that others may want? or sometimes exchange, is still around? Arfermo :-\ :-\

This could be Margaret Brown in 1901..

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
158, Commercial Road, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert A Clulow Head Married Male 37 1864 Laundry Proprietor Ireland Transcription
Sallie Clulow Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Clulow Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Albert J Clulow Son - Male 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Eva Clulow Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Isabella Clulow Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Margaret Brown Servant Single Female 17 1884 General Serv (Dom) Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Census details
Other household member first name(s) Robert, Sallie, Elizabeth, Albert, Eva, Isabella, Margaret
Other household member last name Clulow, Brown
First name(s) Margaret
Last name Brown
Relationship Servant
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 17
Birth year 1884
Occupation General Serv (Dom)
Birth town Liverpool
Birth town as transcribed LIVERPOOL
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street Commercial Road
Town -
Parish Kirkdale
City -
Country England
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Sandhills
Registration district West Derby
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3472
Folio 55
Page 36
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Who with and where is Margaret in 1901 please.

Maryb.

Thank you both. I met some of the older Casey family member's about 12 years ago--now sadly deceased, and they knew my Grandmother just after WW2, till she died --in 1950. They stated that Margaret had no middle name. The Census of 1901 and 1911, do not attribute her with a middle name , and there isn't one on her wedding certificate either. I have to conclude that she didn't have one. Thanks again--I will still try and connect your findings, As they say, Brown is one of the top four 'nightmare' names, to trawl through. Arfermo.
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Tis strange- possible death for Alice 1900- but not really looked into it. I'm about to sit out with a glass of wine, so unlikely to come back to it today.