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John Holt, 1809-1879 born Walworth, Surrey.

Recently a small watercolour painting came into the store where I volunteer in B.C. Canada. It is called 'Spring Fishing on the White House Waters' by J. Holt. There was quite a bit of writing on the back of it, so I know that It was owned by Mr. Beresford of the 'Horse and Groom' in Hackney. Mr. Beresford owned that pub from around 1846 to circa 1860. I have been able to trace some of his direct descendants, and have been in contact with them. However, I know very little of John Holt. All I know is that he was living at 2 Orchard Street in Hackney during the 1841 and 1851 census, with his wife, Ellen, 1813- 1885, born in Fulham, Middlesex. They were difficult to find in 1861 as their names were recorded as Halt. John's occupation was then recorded as a House Proprietor /Artist. At that time they were then living in Loddiges Rd. Cambridge Terrace, Hackney alone. In 1871 their daughter, Elizabeth Deacle Holt, 1835-1883 born in Lambeth, Surrey, was with them. She was a teacher of drawing. In both 1851 and 1861 she was living with her aunt, Lucy Griffiths. Interestingly, a book that Elizabeth wrote in 1877 called 'Landscape. How to copy it in Black-lead pencil', is on sale on Amazon Books UK at the moment. As Elizabeth's middle name was Deacle, I suspect that Deacle was her mother's maiden name.

That's all I know about the Holts. I've come up blank. Can any of you please find out more? Thanks.

Railway shareholders 1835-1932 Transcription
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First name(s) Elizabeth Deacle
Last name Holt
Title Miss
Year 1883
Day 27
Month 11
Place Hackney
Country England
Event role DEATH
Volume 36
Folio 32
Folio suffix -
Entry number 141
Column 3
Record set Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain, England
copyright Society of Genealogists


Stock was passed to Ellen Holt (her mother?)

You can see the 1879 probate record for John, proved by Elizabeth Deacle Holt spinster both 58 Loddiges Rd

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

edit Elizabeth's record also there 1883

Are you certain of Elizabeth's year of birth please?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HOLT, ELIZABETH HEMMINGS Order
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in THE HACKNEY UNION Volume 03 Page 78

from findagrave.com

Birth: unknown
Death: 1883

Holt, Elizabeth Deacle BuriedOn: 03 Dec 1883 Recorded at: Manor Park Cemetery (Newham)


Burial:
Manor Park Cemetery and Crematorium
Forest Gate
London Borough of Newham
Greater London, England

HOLT, ELIZABETH DEACLE 47 Order
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 327

I am not certain of Ellen's birth date, it's only what I could find online. I know they often vary.

Yes, rootgatherer, her mother Ellen, died two years after Elisabeth.

Can anyone see who the stocks were passed on to after Elizabeth's death?

Is anyone able to find a census prior to 1841 (if there was one) to see who else was in the Holt family. Thanks

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First name(s) Ellen
Last name Holt
Title Mrs
Year 1885
Day 25
Month 10
Place Hackney
Country England
Event role DEATH
Volume 40
Folio 33
Folio suffix -
Entry number 158
Column 3
Record set Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain, England
copyright Society of Genealogists


Stock transmitted to James Phillips Esq.

Thanks, rootgatherer. Now i have to find who James Phillips is? My problem is that I don't know if John and Ellen Holt had any more children besides Elizabeth. Maybe James Phillips' wife was a Holt?

Possible marriage???


John Holt
mentioned in the record of John Holt and Ellen Griffiths
Name John Holt
Spouse's Name Ellen Griffiths
Event Date 18 Dec 1834
Event Place Saint Mary,Putney,London,England


Surname GRIFFITHS matches with Elizabeth's aunt, Lucy Griffiths

Don't know if this is anything to do with it or not - possibly Ellen's parents ??


Richard Griffith
mentioned in the record of Richard Griffith and Mary Deacle
Name Richard Griffith
Spouse's Name Mary Deacle
Event Date 23 Mar 1793
Event Place Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England
Citing this Record

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKPG-V2H : 10 December 2014), Richard Griffith and Mary Deacle, 23 Mar 1793; citing Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 598,178

Thanks Tiggit and ArgyllGran. I think that Griffiths is a very good lead. I'll have to investigate further. :-)

Rootgatherer,

You have told me that the stock owned by Ellen Holt was transmitted to James Phillips Esq. Is any address given for him? I don't know if Elizabeth Deacle Holt was John and Ellen's only child, but I wonder if he was a son in law, or just a family friend. If he was the latter we'll probably never know.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Was below....

probably more items, if you have plenty of time to sit and 'play' around with keywords etc. !)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(above or Find My Past, Genes, all need subscription)

Chris :)

24 November 1882 - Hackney and Kingsland Gazette - London, London

SERVANTS WANTED.
GENERAL SERVANT—Tradesmen call; most washing sent out, widow and daughter, no lodgers, business children, personal character. 58, Loddiges rd, Hackney.


05 March 1864 - Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicle - London,

The White House water is the only water on the River Lea in which the Thames fish run up to spawn...


(also items relating to George Beresford, Water Bailiff, and connections with White House, River Lea)


Edits (was also below)

Great Western Railway shareholders 1835-1932 (Find My Past)

(John Holt Death 1879 June 9. 58. Loddiges Road. Stock transmiitted to Elizabeth Deacle Holt. Spinster. 58. Loddiges Road)


Deaths Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Holt John 70 Hackney 1b 345


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(also on above, 1879)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(possible Burial on above)

Probate

31 July. The will of John Holt late of 58. Loddiges Road Hackney in the County of Middlesex who died 9 June 1879 at 58. Loddiges Road was proved at the principal Registry by Elizabeth Deacle Holt of 58. Loddiges Road spinster the sole executrix.
Personal Effects under £1,500.

Do you have this, mistranscribed?


Name:
Elizabeth Deacle Holl

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
13 Jan 1836

Father's name:
John Holl

Mother's name:
Ellen Holl

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Lambeth St Mary

Borough:
Lambeth

Register Type:
Parish Registers

Interesting find, Potty. Was the spelling 'Holl' a name misspelled, like 'Halt' the spelling of their name in the 1851 census. I'll certainly check into this.

Thank you all so much for all your finds. As I said, we have John Holt's painting at our thrift shop and we'd like it to go to family members in England. It isn't my final decision but it looks like it will go to a direct descendant of Mr. Beresford, as it would seem that there are no direct descendants of Mr. Holt, the artist.

Bless you all for your interest.

Dianne.