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And Gertrude did the same trip, leaving Liverpool on the 13th Oct 1948 and returning on the 5th Dec 1948. This is really puzzling me.. Fred had some connection with the Scouts in Canada, so that could explain his short trip but Fred's estranged wife making the same journey some months before ?? seems a bit strange, need to find out why and where they went.

It would only take about 4 days for a Trans Atlantic crossing so quite possible.

Kath. x

I have spoken to family member and they are interested to know more.
So can anyone tell me about the Canada trip? I have found out going records to Canada for both Frederick and Gertrude.
Frederick left from Liverpool on 5th July 1949 and arrived back in Lliverpool on 5th Aug 1949, surely this is not possible?

Thanks everyone.
I researched this tree some years ago for Fred's grandson, so know about all the scout stuff.
Somehow missed all this back then and think I will leave this tree alone, as it is getting a bit messy.
Thanks again for your help

Thanks Chris

Gertrude's Probate:

Dimmock Gertrude of 25 Hardwick Rd Palmers Green London N13 died 29 May 1983 Probate Ipswich 12 August £39918

(as below)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

424 Green Lanes , Southgate M.B., Middlesex
Gertrude Dimmock 13 Jun 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married

Name: Frederick Haydn Dimmock
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Luton
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Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 395


Name: Frederick Haydn Dimmock
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Enfield
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Rosamunde, Cecil Rd, Enfield
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Copy Holder in printers
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 7441
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Dimmock 40 occ music teacher and piano tuner own account
Emma Jane Dimmock 41
Hilda Mary Dimmock 18
Frederick Haydn Dimmock 15
Horace William Dimmock 13
Ernest Conrick Dimmock 11
Stella Grace Dimmock 9
Gladys Winifred Dimmock 6
Raymond Dudley Dimmock 3
Married .19 years 8 children born 7 still living

His wife in 1939- still don't have access:

Dimmock Household Southgate M.B., Middlesex, England

Gertrude Dimmock 1899
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UK Incoming Passenger list:
Name: Gertrude Dimmock
Birth Date: abt 1899
Age: 49
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 5 Dec 1948
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Empress of Canada
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 160482
Address: 25 Hardwicke Road, London N13
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Death:
Name: Gertrude Dimmock
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1899
Date of Registration: Jun 1983
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12 Page: 0323

Name: Frederick H Dimmock
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 53
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 12 Aug 1949
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Empress of France
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Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 160482

Occ Editor. Home address 26 Guessens road .Welwyn Garden City

Looking at the newspapers (searching under Haydn Dimmock) it seems he was quite a celebrity.

They couldn't marry because Fred was also previously married

Frederick Haydn Dimmock
Death Date: 26 Apr 1955
Death Place: Hertfordshire, Hertford, England
Probate Date: 3 Sep 1955
Registry: London, England
Of 26 Guessens Road



Name: Frederick Haydn Dimmock occ editor
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Age: 23
Spouse: Gertrude Twite
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Jun 1919
Parish: St Mary, Stoke Newington
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Frederick Dimmock occ professor of music
Spouse Father: William John Twite occ butcher
Register Type: Parish Register

Both fathers were witnesses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haydn_Dimmock

(seems to be items, Frederick Haydn from google search)

Chris :)

Frederick Haydn Dimmock MBE (15 December 1895 to 26 April 1955) was a British Scouting and science fiction magazine editor, children's author and supporter of the Boy Scouts Association.


https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/39104/supplement/16

(1951. For services to the Boy Scouts Association)


10 January 1951 - Shipley Times and Express - Shipley, West Yorkshire

Boy Scout News
All members of the Scout Movement will be delighted to hear that H.M. the King has been pleased to award the MBE. to Mr F. Haydn Dimmock, editor of ’’ The Scout." and to Mr. W. V. Heasley. County Commissioner for Scouts in County Down, for their services to the Scout Movement.
As editor of "The Scout" for 33 years, Mr. Dimmock equals the record previously held by the first editor of "The Boys Own Paper" for the longest time in the Editorial Chair of a Juvenile paper.

Frederick was also married:

Name: Frederick Haydn Dimmock
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Age: 23
Occupation: Editor
Spouse: Gertrude Twite
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Jun 1919
Parish: St Mary, Stoke Newington
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Frederick Dimmock (professor of music)
Spouse Father: William John Twite
Register Type: Parish Register
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Probate:
Dimmock Frederick Haydn of 26 Guessens Road Welwyn Garden City Hertfordshire died 26 April 1955 at St Albans City Hospital, St Albans Hertfordshire Probate London 3 September to Austin Gibson Plant manager.

Seems like she may have left her husband and was living with Fred

The home address may give a clue on one of the certs


The first child Molly is an Edwards the other ones are dimmock

Seems Molly M assumed the name of Dimmock and married in 1947 to Austin A Gibson


First name(s) MOLLY MIGNON
Last name GIBSON
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 4
Birth year 1925
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1983
District Hatfield
County Hertfordshire
Volume 10
Page 0287
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Wow, so that means that 3 of the 4 children were Fred's, first child registered with both surnames was born in 1929 and her husband Albert Edwards died in 1931..
Can of worms well and truly opened..

First name(s) VIOLET TERESA
Last name DIMMOCK
Gender Female
Birth day 28
Birth month 10
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1993
District Hitchin
District number 5341
Register number 20H
Entry number 248
Date of registration mm/yy 1193
County Hertfordshire
Country England

they are just the schedule and sub schedule numbers


As they are shown in the registers under both surnames this means the parents werent married but the father has admitted paternity and his name is on the certs

Thanks,
Can you tell me what 95 1 and 95 2 means at the end of the first 2 entries?
I can't find a marriage for Fred and Violet?
Violet T Clarkson married Albert Edwards in 1924 ( albert died in 1931) 3 of the 4 children born from 1929 to 1934 were registered with both surnames Edwards and Dimmock?
At least I know I have the right family now but more questions than answers.

Frederick H Dimmock on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Dimmock Household (7 People) 26 Guessens Road , Welwyn Garden City U.D., Hertfordshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frederick H Dimmock 15 Dec 1895 Male Editor (Of The Scout) Married 95 1
Violet T Dimmock 28 Oct 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 95 2
James A Dimmock 14 Sep 1929 Male At School Single 95 3
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Georgina M Scripps (Alderman) 29 Jan 1924 Female Domestic Servant Single 95 7

Looking for members of household living with Frederick H Dimmock born dec 1895, living in Welwyn Garden City in 1939.