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Hi rootgatherer,

William and Lavinia married 22 Dec 1900 at St John's Church so will look that up when I'm next in the archives.

Thank you for your help you have given me lots to work on.

All the best

Wendy

I don't think the older children are Samuel's. Although Sarah used her maiden surname when she married him, she had been married before.

Here's Hannah's birth


MELLORS, HANNAH LAMBERT MOTTERSHAW
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in RADFORD Volume 07B Page 237

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First name(s) Sarah
Last name Mottershaw
Marriage year 1866
Marriage date 25 Dec 1866
Marriage place Basford
Church St Leodegarius
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Mellors
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain
Nottinghamshire Family History Society

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thorneywood Lane Holly Gardens, Sneinton, Radford, Nottinghamshire, England

William Mellors Head - Male 22 1849 - Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah Mellors Wife - Female 22 1849 - Nottinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Mellors Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Nottinghamshire, England
Fanny Mellors Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Nottinghamshire, England
Levi Mottershaw Nephew - Male 13 1858 - Nottinghamshire, England

William
Last name Mellors
Birth year 1849
Death year 1875
Age 26
Burial year 1875
Burial day 24
Burial month 2
Place Basford
Church description ST LEODEGARIUS
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
Nottinghamshire Family History Society

Mottershaw on image

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Woodville Place, Radford, Nottinghamshire, England

William Mothershaw Head Married Male 54 1807 Seller Up Of Machines Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Hannah Mothershaw Wife Married Female 52 1809 - Long Eaton, Derbyshire, England
Samuel Mothershaw Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Machine Smith Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
William Mothershaw Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Coal Miner Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah Mothershaw Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Levi Mothershaw Grandson - Male 3 1858 - Radford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Willm
Last name Mottershaw
Birth year 1806
Baptism year 1806
Baptism date 20 Jun 1806
Baptism place Loughborough, All Saints
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Archive reference DE667/5
Page 107
Record set Leicestershire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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William is in the workhouse in 1871 and dies in 1875.

William
Last name Mottershaw
Marriage year 1832
Marriage date 02 Jul 1832
Marriage place Nottingham
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Fletcher
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain
Nottinghamshire Family History Society

MATTERSHAW, SARAH LAMBERT
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in RADFORD UNION Volume 15 Page 666

The Coe family are a different household.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Place, Radford, Radford Union, Nottinghamshire, England

William Mottishaw Male 30 1811 -
Hannah Mottishaw Female 30 1811 -
Thomas Mottishaw Male 6 1835 Nottinghamshire, England
Catherine Mottishaw Female 3 1838 Nottinghamshire, England
Sarah Coe Female 35 1806 -
William Coe Male 5 1836 Ireland
Allice Coe Female 3 1838 -
Ann Coe Female 1 1840 -

Hannah
Last name Lambert
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1808
Baptism date 04 Feb 1808
Place Sawley and Long Eaton
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Lambert
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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That explains it all good work rootsgatherer,on the marriage to Samuel Wallis she is down as a spinster wonder why she did that instead of say she was a widow.

Thank you so much for all your help

All the best

Wendy

Sometimes women claimed to be a spinster if the first husband was still alive and they couldn't afford a divorce but in Sarah's case William seems to have died. Two of my great grandfathers claimed that they were bachelors when they married for a second time but, in fact, both were widowers with a child from their first marriages. Perhaps it was the way the registrar asked the question.

I wonder if I have found the correct marriage for William Mottershaw as Hannah's maiden surname on the children's births is definitely Lambert so either she had been married previously or Fletcher was a stepfather's surname.

Maybe?


First name(s) John
Last name Lambert
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1773
Baptism date 25 Jul 1773
Place Sawley and Long Eaton
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Lambert
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

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First name(s) John
Last name Lambert
Name note -
Marriage year 1794
Marriage date 1794
Marriage place Sawley
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Rushton
Residence Sawley, Derbyshire, England
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Well not a stepfather's name


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Long Eaton, Sawley, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England

John Lambert Male 65 1776 Derbyshire, England
Jane Lambert Female 65 1776 Derbyshire, England
Mary Lees Female 25 1816 -

Hi rootgatherer,

Thank you for all the info, don't worry to much abt the Mottershaw and Lambert's it the Wallis's I do at the moment but will keep all that info for when I do them.

So going back to the Samuel and Sarah Wallis's children I found on the GRO site a William Wallis born Sept 1880 but mother's surname down as Mellor's cannot find a marriage between a Wallis and Mellors so maybe this is the son of my Samuel and Sarah what do you think.

Wendy

"1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34 Lake Yard Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Edward Marsden Head Single Male General Labourer 32 1879 Nottingham
Lavinia Wallace - Married Female Lace Dresser 28 1883 Nottingham
Elisibeth Wallace - - Female - 5 1906 Nottingham
Edward Marsden - - Male - 4 1907 Nottingham
Thomas Marsden - - Male - 1 1910 Nottingham"

Thomas Marsden was Lavina's son and cannot find a birth for Edward.

Firstly, yes I think you have the correct birth for William. Perhaps Samuel registered his birth and gave Sarah's previous married name (Mellors) as her maiden surname rather than Mottershaw.

I have a look for Edwards birth.

Registered in mother's maiden surname

MARSDEN -
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 366