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I have tried to find Mary Ann Elizabeth Jane Allen b1895 in Battersea in either the 1901 or 1911 census without success. Her parents were James Henry Allen and Jane Elizabeth Allen nee Pincham. I'd be extremely grateful if anyone could find any of them. Many thanks in advance, Ron

Is this her in 1911 under her mothers maiden name?

Mary Ann Elizabeth Pincham

Age in 1911:15

Estimated birth year:abt 1896

Relation to Head:Niece


Birth Place:Battersea

Civil Parish:Wandsworth

County/Island:London

Street address:3 Pier Terrace, Wandsworth

Marital Status:Single

Occupation:CALLENDER HAND

Registration district:Wandsworth

Registration District Number:26
Sub-registration district:Southfields

ED, institution, or vessel:38
Piece:2429

Frederick Wiggins 29
Elizabeth Wiggins 27
Frederick Ernest Wiggins 6
Elizabeth Wiggins 3
George Edward Wiggins 0
Mary Ann Elizabeth Pincham 15

Hi Gins, that could very well be her because there are Wiggins on both sides of my wife's family for whom I am doing this research. Thank you. Didn't think to look at her mother's maiden name.

Is this the parents' marriage in 1930?


Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%)

Allen James H Pincham Wandsworth 1d 1218
Pincham Jane E Allen Wandsworth 1d 1218

I believe it to be so, but this would very late and after my wife's father's birth by ten years. Thank you for your help but I need to stop now. Kind regards, Ron

Are you saying that your wife's father was born around 1920 but had a sister born 25 years earlier?

Hello MargaretM, I'm really sorry, but I confused the 1930s marriage as being my wife's father's mother's (Mary A E J Pincham) marriage, rather than her parent's marriage. If it is her parent's marriage why on earth did they leave it until 1930 when Mary was born in 1895?

This could be her in 1901 census under the name Mary Pincham:

(There does not seem to be a birth reg. Mary Pincham born c1894-1897)


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census


First name(s) Mary
Last name Pincham
Relationship Patient
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 5
Birth year 1896
Occupation -
Birth town Battersea
Birth town as transcribed BATTERSEA
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Town -
Parish Battersea
City -
Country England
County London, Surrey
Municipal ward No 7 "st John"
Registration district Wandsworth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 460
Folio 146
Page 19
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England

This looks like Jane in the1901 census:

(There is only one birth reg for a Jane Pincham and that's this one:

Births Jun 1874
Pincham Jane Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d 641




1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Jane
Last name Pincham
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 28
Birth year 1873
Occupation Charwoman Inmate
Birth town Wandsworth
Birth town as transcribed WANDSWORTH
Birth county Surrey
Birth county as transcribed SURREY
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Town Wandsworth
Parish Wandsworth
City -
Country England
County London, Surrey
Municipal ward Springfield
Registration district Wandsworth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 488
Folio 73
Page 13
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census

http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/

(some Pincham on above)

Chris :)

Her birth was registered as Allen, mmn Pincham in the march quarter 1896, so could have been born between mid-November 1895 to March 31 (if the got into the Registrar's office ultra-fast!) .............. but that doesn't mean that the parents were married, or that the marriage did not last.

ALLEN, MARY ANN ELIZABETH JANE mmn PINCHAM
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 689


There are no marriages for Jane E Pincham and a Mr Allen showing up on Freebmd


I suggest that they were living common-law, then separated and this could be the reason why Jane and Mary were in the work house in 1901.

Is this Jane in 1911?


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Jane
Last name Pinchem
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Occupation Laundress
Age 37
Birth year 1874
Birth place London Wandsworth
Address Swaffield Road Wandsworth
Parish Wandsworth
County London, Surrey
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Wandsworth
Registration district number 26
Enumeration district 23
District number 23
Sub district Springfield

Do you know anything about James Henry Allen?

IF that 1930 marriage is for Jane Elizabeth and James H Allen, then it means that one of themw as unable to marry before that time ....... probably James

You will have to buy that certificate to discover the truth, as I do not know anywhere on line where you could see that certificate.

Could this be them in 1939????

They are lodging with William and Annie Hipwell

Hopwell Household (5 People) 14 Waldeck Road , Brentford and Chiswick M.B., Middlesex, England


Jane E Allen ? Feb ? Unpaid Domestic Duties
William J Hopwell 25 May 1896 House Painter & Decorator
Annie E Hipwell 11 Jan 1902 Press Hand Laundry
James H Allen 18 Aug 1869 Gate Porter Retired Gas Works
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Birth date for Jane is written as 26 Feb 1874, then corrected at a later date to 28 - 02- 1873

The clsoed record follows the Allens, but I have no way of knowing who that would be.

in the 1911 census mary ann pincham with uncle and aunt Frederick and Elizabeth
this is their marriage Elizabeth must be jane pincham's sister

Marriages Jun 1904  

Pincham
 Elizabeth
 
 Wandsworth
 1d
1142
  
WIGGINS
 Frederick Ernest
 
 Wandsworth
 1d
1142

My apologies for not coming back to you all. I need to get to grips with the information you have all contributed. Please bear with me.

:
Mother's Maiden Surname: 
 
PINCHAM, JANE  ELIZABETH  
MONK  

GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 641

PINCHAM, ELIZABETH    
MONK  

GRO Reference: 1884  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 606

TWINS


PINCHAM, CATHERINE    
MONK  

GRO Reference: 1884  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 606
PINCHAM, ROSE  LILY  
MONK  

GRO Reference: 1886  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 642

Did they also have William Joseph Allen/Pincham 1898
Annie Elizabeth Allen/Pincham 1902

1911
Annie Pincham 1902 Inmate Intermediate Schools Swaffield Road Wandsworth
William Pincham 13 same place

Son James Henry Allen born ? married Rose Caroline Howard in 1926 Wandsworth
Mary Ann Elizabeth Jane married in 1916 to Henry George Howard witnessed by
Rose Caroline Howard and James Allen.

James Henry Allen Snr in 1914 - 1928 32,Hazlehurst Road Wandsworth at some point with him were Jane,James Henry and William Joseph Allen.

Jim Allen mum Pincham born Wandsworth 1904 V1d P 778.Address 5,Homewood Terrace Church Walk Wandsworth.
James Pincham at 4,Homewood Terrace 1905 and 1906.
James Pincham 1899 at 9,Brittania Place Plough Road Wandsworth.

Maryb.