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Help with Twin Please.

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safc

safc Report 28 Jul 2017 21:48


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Denmark Opening Norwich, Norwich, Norfolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Maria E Smith Head Widow Female Pont Washing 51 1860 Catton Norwich
Transcription
Leah Cooper Daughter Married Female Sweey Confectionery 23 1888 Catton Norwich
Transcription
Walter Smith Son Single Male Carter 21 1890 Norfolk Norwich
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Benjamin Smith Son Single Male Shoe Maker 19 1892 Norfolk Norwich
Transcription
Percy Percy Son - Male - 12 1899 Norfolk Norwich
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Bertie Percy Son - Male - 10 1901 Norfolk Norwich
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Harry Percy Son - Male - 7 1904 Norfolk Norwich

married 27 years 11 born 8 living 3 died

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jul 2017 21:47

(ah!, below)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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JONES Alfred Smith Norwich 4b 242
Riches Maria Elizabeth Norwich 4b 242

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1166854


Birth
RICHES, MARIA ELIZABETH (SPOONER)
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 151


Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
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Riches Robert Norwich 4b 418
Spooner Maria Norwich 4b 418


Edits

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Bertie
Last name Smith
Birth year 1901
Birth date 11 Mar 1901
Event year 1904
School name St Augustine's Infants School
Town Norwich
County Norfolk
Parent name(s) Mr. Smith


First name(s) Percy James
Last name Smith
Birth year 1898
Birth date 24 Oct 1898
Event year 1902
School name St Augustine's Infants School
Town Norwich
County Norfolk
Parent name(s) Alfred Jones Smith
Book type Admissions


Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
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Smith-Jones Bertie Frederick Norwich 4b 115
Smith-Jones William Thomas Norwich 4b 115

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SMITH-JONES, BERTIE FREDERICK (RICHES)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 115

SMITH-JONES, WILLIAM THOMAS (APPLEGATE)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 115


Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Applegate Clara Norwich 4b 349
JONES Walter Smith Norwich 4b 349

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 28 Jul 2017 21:38

Just checked Birth certificate & there is no time of birth stated.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Jul 2017 21:14

You say you have his birth cert .if he was a twin then the time of birth is shown

If his twin was stillborn then time of birth is irelevant

It wild be interesting to know what birth certificate you have

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jul 2017 21:12

When Was Marriage of Parents?...

Chris :)

(not below was it?)

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
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RICHES Martha Docking 4b 457
SMITH Robert Alfred Docking 4b 457


(if her below?)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Lakenham
Church name St Mark
Register type Transcript
Register entry number 397
Baptism date 06 Feb 1860
Birth date 22 Dec 1859
Person forename Maria
Father forename Robert
Father surname RICHES
Father occupation Shoemaker
Mother forename Maria

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Birth
RICHES, ALFRED -
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 161

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 Jul 2017 21:11

I think there must be another Smith / Riches marriage resulting in the births in Docking

SMITH, ALBERT ARTHUR RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 293

SMITH, CYRIL DOUGLAS RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 299

SMITH, WALTER CHRISTMAS RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 302

but then there are several other Smith / Riches births registered elsewhere during the 4 year period 1899 - 1903 ....... so not an unusual match :-(

SMITH, ARTHUR RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 764
SMITH, HAROLD RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 806
SMITH, JOHN RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 435
SMITH, SAMUEL REDVERS RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 514
SMITH, THOMAS RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 562



There was one in Norwich ...........

SMITH, HARRY RICHES Order
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 133

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 28 Jul 2017 20:58

Seen that one safc, looks like he died 1966.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Jul 2017 20:57

Wonder about this one. Docking is in Norfolk


SMITH, CYRIL DOUGLAS RICHES
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 299

Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 28 Jul 2017 20:49

Yes, SylviaInCanada Maria Riches,
I Have Berties birth & death registration,
But if the twin was stillborn, you say there would be no registration ? :-(

safc

safc Report 28 Jul 2017 20:45

SMITH, BERTIE SHADRACK CORNISH Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 163

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 Jul 2017 20:41

Was mother's maiden name Riches???

SMITH, BENJAMIN mmn RICHES
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 118

SMITH, ARTHUR EDWARD mmn RICHES
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 118

SMITH, PERCY JAMES mmn RICHES
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 129


but I can't find a registration for "Bertie"?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 Jul 2017 20:33

Have you checked Freebmd or the new GRO Index?


There would be no record if the twin was still born

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Norfolkboy

Norfolkboy Report 28 Jul 2017 19:41

This is what i have from the 1901 census, All born Norwich,
Story has arisen that Bertie, 3 weeks was a twin, can anybody find a death for the other twin Please.

Alfred Smith 46
Maria Smith 41
Alfred Smith 19
Sarah Smith 13
Walter Smith 11
Benjamine Smith 9
Arthur Smith 6
Percy Smith 2
Bertie Smith 3 Weeks