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Jude - how careful us women are with our money!

Peahen

The probate and increase in value is expected, regardless of what trade they were in. I believe that when any assets (eg a house) are held jointly they automatically go to the surviving partner and are not valued as part of the estate. It is on the death of the surviving partner they would be valued.

With reference to the large increase of money....my great grandparents were in the pub trade. When he died in 1897, he left £570 8s 0d, resworn a year later at £1,170 8s 0d.

When she died in 1922, she left £9,722 15s 6d

Jude

(her Death)

Chris :)

01 May 1945 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

Death
CLAYTON - On the 30th ult., at Dudley Dene, Sharoe Green-lane, Broughton, MARY ELIZABETH, the beloved wife of the late JOHN FREDERICK CLAYTON, aged years. Funeral service and Interment Preston Cemetery, Friday 2 o'clock.


05 May 1945 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

CLAYTON -The DAUGHTERS of the late Mrs. CLAYTON desire to Thank all Relatives, Friends, and Neighbours, also the Rev. C. M. S. Clarke, for kind expressions of sympathy and floral tributes received during their sad bereavement. Dudley Dene, Sharoe Green Lane, Broughton.


07 May 1930 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

MARRIAGES
PARKER - CLAYTON - On the 3rd lnst., at Emmanuel Church, by the Rev W. D. Richards, ROBERT HENRY (HARRY), only son of Mr. and Mrs. GEORGE PARKER, The North Star Inn, Preston, to GERTRUDE DUDLEY, elder daughter Mrs. and the late Mr. JOHN CLAYTON, Dudley Dene, Sharoe Green Lane, Broughton.


16 December 1916 - Preston Herald - Preston, Lancashire, England

INTERMENTS AT PRESTON CEMETERY,
William Henry Dudley. Manchester-road, 79


http://pubsinpreston.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/balmoral-hotel-manchester-road.html

(info. Balmoral Hotel)


1939 (Find My Past)

Sharoe Green Lane , Fulwood U.D., Lancashire,
Mary E Aryton (Clayton) 29 Sep 1871 Female Licensed Victualler Retired Widowed
Patricia D Hopkins (Parker) 28 Nov 1930 Female At School Single


Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
-----------------------------------
Parker Patricia D Clayton Preston 8e 674

Interesting!!
It may be a good idea to get a copy of her will. It may give more information on there.

I do not think it unusual for a landlady of a pub to leave a large amount as when they retire, depending on whether or not they owned the pub, they would probably need to live somewhere ( "by the sea" ). Savings of this size though does surprise.

Peahen.

I don't think that mary would have had children after the death of husband john because of her age

John Frederick Clayton
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Death Date:
28 Jun 1914
Death Place:
Lancashire, England
Probate Date:
22 Sep 1914
Registry:
London, England

Original says
"Of Balmoral Hotel, 27 Manchester Rd., Preston, Lancashire. Probate to Mary Elizabeth Clayton, widow. Effects £1159 11s 2d.

She certainly made a lot of money after her husband died, didn't she? She left over £17,000.

So it looks like the death in 1914 that I posted was correct and not 1916.

Kath. x

Relating?...

Chris :)

04 July 1914 - Preston Herald - Preston, Lancashire, England

Death
CLAYTON - June 28th, the Balmoral Hotel. Manchester-road, Preston, John Frederick Clayton, late Chief Inspector of the Preston Police Force, aged 45 years.


28 June 1918 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

IN MEMORIAM
CLAYTON - In loving memory JOHN FREDERICK CLAYTON, who died June 28th, 1914. From his Wife and Children, Balmoral Hotel, Preston.


29 June 1925 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

IN MEMORIAM
CLAYTON - In Ioving memory of JOHN CLAYTON, who died June 28tn, 1914. From his Wile and Daughters, Balmoral Hotel, Preston.


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1901

CLAYTON Gertrude Dudley DUDLEY St John Preston ST.J/40/40


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1914

CLAYTON John Frederick 45 East Preston Preston EP/14/27

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St Paul
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 24 Oct 1869
Person forename Mary Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Worcester Street
Father forename William
Father surname DUDLEY
Father occupation Butcher
Mother forename Harriett

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


1871 (Find My Past)
William Dudley Head - Male 38 1833 - Staffordshire, England (Butcher, Master employing 1 man)
Harriet Dudley Wife - Female 38 1833 - Staffordshire, England
Martha Dudley Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Staffordshire, England
Mary E Dudley Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Staffordshire, England
Ann Ford Servant - Female 19 1852 - Staffordshire, England
Alfred Davis Williams Nephew - Male 4 1867 - Staffordshire, England
Street Worcester Street
Parish Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Registration district Wolverhampton
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 2933
Folio 71
Page 14


Birth
DUDLEY, MARY ELIZABETH (BIRKIN)
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 445

Birth
DUDLEY, MARTHA (BIRKIN)
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 335


County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St Mark
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 10169
Marriage date 2 Mar 1854
Groom forename William Henry
Groom surname DUDLEY
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Worcester Street
Groom parish
Groom occupation Butcher
Bride forename Harriet
Bride surname BIRKIN
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Tettenhall
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname DUDLEY
Bride father forename George
Bride father surname BIRKIN
Bride father occupation Gentleman
Witness Esther DUDLEY
Witness Joseph ASTON
Register note Licence; Grooms age is full; Grooms father deceased; Brides age is full; Recorded by Henry Thomas BREAY

But her name is still Clayton when she died.

Kath. x

Thank you ...Her husband John F Clayton died 1914 I see that the will Margaret put on is hers and she was still Clayton so maybe she just lived with this other man I will try the 1939 list ...thank you everyone

Is this her husband's death (given that Mary's address on probate is near Preston):-

First name(s) JOHN F
Last name CLAYTON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1869
Age 45
Death quarter 2
Death year 1914
District Preston
County Lancashire
Volume 8E
Page 702
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

I agree Margaret, just birth date out a bit.

I wonder if the family thought she had another family in Liverpool before or after her marriage to John Frederick Clayton? Since she died still using the Clayton surname it is possible that she just lived with someone else but I don't know how it could be proved.

Kath. x

Oh yes, I agree that's her, Kath, but I also think that's her on the 1901 & 1911 census.

In the 1871 census (posted above by malyon) she is 1 year old. This means that in April 1871 she was one year old, so she could have had her first birthday anytime between 3rd April 1870 and 2nd April 1871 - which would be consistent with a birth in 1869.

Kath. x

But she also gives place of birth as Wolverhampton and the 1869 birth is the only Mary E. Dudley in Wolverhampton. Ages on the census are often out by one year depending on whether a person's birthday was before or after the census night, but also because people often didn't know when they were born. My grandmother's age is wrong on nearly every census, it is 5 years out on her marriage certificate and 2 years out on her headstone!!

Kath. x

Name
Mary E Dudley
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Event Place
Wolverhampton, StaffordshireEngland
Registration District
Wolverhampton
Residence Note
Worcester St
Gender
Female
Age
11
Marital Status (Original)
Single
Occupation
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1870
Birthplace
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Page Number
30
Registration Number
RG11
Piece/Folio
2796/69
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Dudley
Head
M
48
Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Harriet Dudley
Wife
F
48
Shareshill, Staffordshire, England
Mary E Dudley
Daughter
F
11
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Bickley
Servant
F
26
Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Dudley
Grand Son
M
5
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

England and Wales Census, 1871
Name
Mary E Dudley
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1871
Event Place
Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District
21
Gender
Female
Age
1
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1870
Birthplace
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Entry Number
15
Affiliate Image Identifier
GBC/1871/2933/0143
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Dudley
Head
M
38
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harriet Dudley
Wife
F
38
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Martha Dudley
Daughter
F
16
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Mary E Dudley
Daughter
F
1
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Ann Ford
Servant
F
19
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Alfred Davis Williams
Nephew
M
4
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

But that certainly looks like her on the 1901 & 1911 censuses, Kath, where she gives birth year of 1871, particularly since she gives daughter Gertrude the middle name Dudley.

Were her father and mother William and Harriett? If so then she was born 1869. This is her baptism:-

First name(s) Mary Elizabeth
Last name Dudley
Baptism year 1869
Baptism date 24 Oct 1869
Baptism place Wolverhampton, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Harriett
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D4374/1/3
Page 224
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms

and the GRO reference for the birth:-

First name(s) MARY ELIZABETH
Last name DUDLEY
Birth year 1869
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Wolverhampton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 445
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x