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Trouble is PH, Norman needs to come back and confirm the father's details from the BC - everything so far (apart from 1939 register confirming dob, albiet a year out) is conjecture at the moment. How someone can go from Alicia to Latitia to Eliza is rather dubious.

Depending on when Norman was born........he could very well be the "Closed Record" on the 1939 register?

(below I posted earlier, but on UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 (Ancestry) 'To whom Authorised' (says) Fa - Alfred)

Chris :)

Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-1919 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Richard Thomas
Last name Earl
Service number 19369
Rank L/cpl
Regiment King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry)
Battalion 9th Battalion.
Birth place Limehouse, London
Enlistment place Maidenhead
Death year 1915
Death day 27
Death month 9


Edits (looking more like below Birth, for above, on 1911 Limehouse with Father Alfred)

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Earl Richard Thomas Stepney 1c 444

(just to 'sort' him, lol)

To rule out another contender for Letitia / Eliza -

The father of Eliza Jennings born Benfleet, as posted earlier by GG, was Elijah, not Harry. (Per 1881 census).

Walter Jennings
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Walter Jennings
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Elijah Jennings
Mother: Maria Jennings
Gender: Male
Where born: South Benfleet, Essex, England
Civil Parish: South Benfleet
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Hopes Green
Occupation: Farm Boy
Registration district: Rochford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1768
Folio: 40
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Elijah Jennings 40
Maria Jennings 38
Walter Jennings 13
Alfred Jennings 10
Frederick Jennings 7
Arthur Jennings 2

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/earl/thread/1231338?d=asc

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/jennings/thread/1251372?d=asc

(Previous relating here)

Chris :)


Norman Report 22 Jul 2010 20:50

Deperately trying to trace my father's mother. Birth Cert gives her name as Alicia Earl formerly Jennings. Date of birth 4/7/1885. Salmon Lane London. No record of a marriage, birth or anything. My father's father was married to Eliza James at the time and I know she existed because she lived with us until her death in 1940, although her birth and background are cloudy.

Ah, well, that explains the Eliza factor - wish we'd known that at the start.

EDIT:
Well, it sort of does.
Does that mean Eliza and Letitia are one and the same?

Not that it matters - our search is for Alicia.

There are many possibilities - without any further info, it's pretty well impossible to know which one might be the right one. She may not have belonged to London. She may have moved away from London after RT's birth.

One possibility - she's a cook at the Officers' Quarters, Royal Arsenal, Woolwich. (But no reason to think this is her.):


Alice Jennings
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Alice Jennings
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 532
Folio: 113
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Gerald G Keleart 36
Alice Jennings 36

I e-mailed Norman and asked him to come back to the thread. Received this message:

Most of the information found for me is correct.
Sadly it does not get me any closer to Alicia Jennings although one message suggested a family of Jennings in Essex but no Alicia.
Many Thanks
Norman Earl

I have also had a PM confirming father was Richard, a buiscuit baker.