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(does George mean Emily Craycraft, lol)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367522

Chris :)

Keep at it George, as PH says, keep us updated on that Birth Cert.!.

George.......

You have been trying for years to trace the parents of Isabel Victoria Maud Craycraft born 1884 Minster, Kent.

Do get back to us if and when you purchase the birth cert of...

CRAYCROFT, ISABELLA....(No Father Named)
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 893

We would love to know the information that certificate reveals!

Prickles ;o))

"Thank You All" l so very much. Your all Brilliant. and I can Now sleep at night. I blame Emily Buckley. LoL

I'm still going through all the above and trying to tie them to That Mrs. Foster.

What do you think George??

Strangely that Isabella birth doesn't show on the gro records


Ah it's this one no mmn so probably illigitimate

CRAYCROFT, ISABELLA - Order
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 893

A note posted on a tree on Ancestry...........

Birth Cert shows unknown father.... on census for 1901 she was shown as niece of frederick james craycraft and sarah ann who raised her.... on wedding cert frederick is shown as her father

(If that is true, then purchasing a copy of Isabel's marriage cert wont help!)

With this birth.......

Isabella Craycraft in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Isabella Craycraft
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 893

I would purchase a copy of the above Birth Certificate to see exactly what date of birth it gives and for information on the Mother.

There does not appear to be an Isabella Craycraft showing on any census records.

No death's or marriage's either.

Prickles ;o))

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=381261.0

(is this Jemima on above query?, from google search)

Chris :)

(from above query)

I am the great grandson of Jemima Craycraft mentioned in your post.

I have found that a John and Charlotte Craycraft had three children - Susan, Emily and Jemima - christened on 10 July 1864 at the Church of Holy Trinity, Margate.

The family story is that Jemima, and as we now know two other siblings, were placed in the workhouse on the parents' death, whilst other children were placed with relatives.


Edits (ties in with below, Mother Charlotte Death 1866, Father John Death 1867)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356307


24 May 1919 - Thanet Advertiser - Ramsgate, Kent, England

Death
ROBINSON - 12th May, at 6, Alexandra road, Ramsgate, Jemima Robinson, aged 55 years.


Deaths Jun 1919 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
Robinson Jemina 55 Thanet 2a 1126


Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Craycraft Jemima Thanet 2a 1844
Robinson Charles Thanet 2a 1844


(as advised, get Marriage Cert. of Isabel!)

1901

4, Vale Square Memel Place, Ramsgate, Thanet, Kent, England

Charles Robenson Head Married Male 40 1861 Labourer Bricklayer Margate, Kent, England
Jemima Robenson Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Margate, Kent, England
Elsie C Robenson Daughter - Female 15 1886 Servant Domestic Minster, Kent, England
Frederick C Robenson Son - Male 11 1890 Scholar Minster, Kent, England
Jessie C Robenson Daughter - Female 8 1893 Scholar Ramsgate, Kent, England
Horace Robenson Son - Male 6 1895 Scholar Ramsgate, Kent, England
Charles Miles Boarder Single Male 22 1879 House Painter Boughton, Kent, England
William Nairne Boarder Single Male 21 1880 Carter Builders Ramsgate, Kent, England

Another son born to same mother? No mmn on GRO index


Country England
First name(s) Frederick James
Last name Craycraft
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 1
Birth year 1890
Occupation -
Birth town Minster
Birth town as transcribed MINSTER
Birth county Kent
Birth county as transcribed KENT
Birth place England
Street -
Town Minster
Parish Minster
City Birchington
County Kent
Registration district Thanet
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 725
Folio 126
Page 16
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England


So looking at the census posted Elsie May and Frederick James are illegitimate children of Jemima.

Frederick's family in 1861:

Name: Frederick Craycraft
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1857
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Craycraft
Mother's name: Charlotte Craycraft
Gender: Male
Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Margate St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent
Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Piece: 534 Folio: 131 Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Craycraft 27
Charlotte Craycraft 27
John Craycraft 7
Harriet Craycraft 6
Frederick Craycraft 4
William Craycraft 2
Susannah Craycraft 7/12
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Hull Daily Mail - Saturday 04 October 1941

In Memoriam
Craycraft & Saywell- In loving memory of my dear brother, Frederick James Craycraft who passed away Oct 4th 1936- from his sister Susan; also Charles Saywell of 91 Ancona Rd, Plumstead SE 18, beloved husband of Susan Saywell who passed away July 23rd 1941

Related? No mmn on GRO index

England
First name(s) Elsie May
Last name Craycraft
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 5
Birth year 1886
Occupation -
Birth town Minster
Birth town as transcribed MINSTER
Birth county Kent
Birth county as transcribed KENT
Birth place England
Street -
Town Minster
Parish Minster
City Birchington
County Kent
Registration district Thanet
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 725
Folio 126
Page 16
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

(lol, I wouldn't do that George!, you have a lot on above!)

Chris :)

(and that Illiffe 'Thread' mystery is still in my head!)

Thanks For your Time and Interest. I'm relying on your expertise Chris Ho

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366048?d=asc

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356307

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364762

(saw above 'Threads' lot on them to go through though!)

Chris :)

Edits (FMP version of above posted Birth!)

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name CRAYCEAFT
Birth year 1883
Birth quarter 4
District Thanet
County Kent
Volume 2A
Page 893

It may help. There are threads on here under Charles Foster and Maud Charlotte nee (Foster) .Silvester It just confuses me lol. Maud is my mam's mam.

If her mother is Jemima, then Jemima was in the workhouse in 1891

Name: Jemina Craycraft
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Minster
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Thanet
ED, institution, or vessel: Isle of Thanet Union Workhouse

Piece: 725
Folio: 126
Page Number: 16

Also listed are
Elsie May Craycraft 5
Frederick James Craycraft 1

Jemima marrys Charles Robinson in 1894

1911 census
Jemima Robinson
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Margate, Kent
Civil Parish: St Lawrence Intra
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: No 1 Alexandra Rd, Ramsgate
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 18
Estimated Marriage Year: 1893
Registration district: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 4535

Charles Robinson Head 1860 51 Male Married General Labourer Margate, Kent
Jemima Robinson Wife 1864 47 Female Married 18 Margate, Kent
Elsie Robinson Stepdaughter 1886 25 Female Single servant Minster, Kent
Fredrick Robinson Stepson 1890 21 Single Royal Navy Minster, Kent
Jessie Robinson Daughter 1893 18 Female Single servant Ramsgate, Kent
Horace Robinson Son 1895 16 Male Single Barber Boy Ramsgate, Kent

Image says 4 children born (to the marriage) all still living.
Further investigation needed to see if that is correct or if she included the children born before marriage.

There's no obvious birth reg. Although she could have given incorrect information, it's worth buying her MC to Barnett to see who she names as her father.

Death

Name: Isabel V M Johnson
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Dec 1949
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 158

Marriage from http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

BARNETT Isabel V M JOHNSON Albert Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended Hull SRO/132/140
.................
1939 Register

Johnson Household (3 People) 6 Newington Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding),
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Isabel V M Johnson 17 Dec 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 89 2
Albert Johnson 09 Dec 1902 Male Trawler Engineer Married 89 1
William E Barnett 19 Dec 1920 Male Shop Assistant Fruite Single 89 3

Its not unusual to fudge the yob if there is a large age difference