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Smart/Smith families
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 15:52 |
Trying to find information about my mother in law's family. My mother in law was born in 1917 - birth certificate shows her name as Ena Frances and her mother as Winifred Caroline Smart born1897 - no father's name. Place of birth Tendring Essex. In 1918 a marriage certificate shows Winifred Caroline marrying in the name of Grant -a widow in Burntwood Staffs giving her father's name as John Smart a farmer to Frederick George Smith occupation grocer's carter - father's name Henry Smith labourer. They had a son Roland Frederick in 1921 and in 1923 a daughter Frances May - who was given up for adoption. Winifred died in 1925 and Frederick remarried.Ena Frances died in 1967. Does anyone have any of these people in the family please ? |
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it | Report | 9 Aug 2017 15:54 |
To see if anyone has the family you should look in members trees which is under the search heading above the boards |
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it | Report | 9 Aug 2017 15:56 |
Have you found the marriage for Winifred to a mr grant |
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it | Report | 9 Aug 2017 16:06 |
Not seeing a birth for Winifred or her on any census |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Aug 2017 16:45 |
Births Dec 1917 (>99%) |
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it | Report | 9 Aug 2017 16:49 |
Who did ena marry as not seeing her on the 1939 register or her death |
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patchem | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:03 |
Ena's death? |
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patchem | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:04 |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:06 |
Also possibly this child |
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:08 |
Yes this is my mother in law but it is her mother Winifred's parents we can't find details of. |
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malyon | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:17 |
this is the only Winifred born in Essex |
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patchem | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:22 |
Does the birth certificate of Ena say that her Mother was 20, or did the birth in 1897 come from elsewhere? |
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alviegal | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:25 |
I wonder if this might be Winifred Caroline? |
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:40 |
Don't think the male child is relevant. Found the Winifred born in Halstead but her middle name was May. Yes we found the newspaper article and think this could well be our Winifred. As you can see from the article she seems to have given false names !!!! Maybe the name Grant and widow on her marriage certificate were not true ?? We calculated her birth year from her marriage certificate in 1918 and her death certificate in 1925. Ena Frances also told her daughter that she was 8 years old when her mother died. Incidentally the name Winifred was not included on Winifred's son Roland Frederick Smith''s birth certificate just her name as Caroline Smith |
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 17:46 |
We thought it strange that no mention of her pregnancy was mentioned but Ena was definitely born end of September 1917 - the place she was born in was at one time the Workhouse so maybe Winifred was sent there to give birth. |
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patchem | Report | 9 Aug 2017 18:11 |
Could you post the death reference, please? |
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 18:46 |
Birmingham N 6d 475 Jan/Feb/mar 1925. No idea about surnames - not family names. Don't know if Winifred was born in Essex or Staffordshire. One possibility is that mother in law Ena's father - stated as John Smith late of North Staffs Regiment Deceased on her marriage certificate in 1939 was from Birmingham area and may have been stationed in or near Colchester ??? Another coincidence is also that Winifred married a Frederick Smith in Burntwood Staffs in 1918 |
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patchem | Report | 9 Aug 2017 18:55 |
Sorry, just putting that death, as she only shows as Winifred, for information: |
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barbara | Report | 9 Aug 2017 19:46 |
That's ok. We have the death certificate and are certain it is Ena Frances mother. The cause of death ties in with her having had a daughter born in 1923 who was then given up for adoption - birth name Frances May Smith. It is so frustrating that we cannot find Winifred's parents. Family information that comes from a younger sibling of my husband's says that as a child she was told by Ena that Winifred came from the Pyrenees but another source mentions the Channel Islands. The search goes on. |
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Chris Ho :) | Report | 9 Aug 2017 20:04 |
So no Address on Birth Cert. then, just Tendring?... |