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Would really appreciate some insight into the parents of
THOMAS MOLYNEUX b. c1812 Ince, Wigan.
He married MARY RUDD on 6th June 1834 at All Saints Wigan.
They had children : JOHN 1835
JAMES 1837
WILLIAM 1842
ELLEN 1845
MARY 1849
(plus several others who died as infants according to GRO)
I have THOMAS on the 1841/51/61/71 census.
1871 England Census
Name Thomas Molyneux
Age 59
Estimated Birth Year abt 1812
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary Molyneux
Gender Male
Where born Ince in M, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Ince in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
Town Ince in Makerfield
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Sub-registration district Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel 15a Household schedule number 145 Piece3891 Folio 139
Page number 30
Household Members
Name
Age
Thomas Molyneux
59
Mary Molyneux
59
William Molyneux
28
Mary Molyneux
22
Robert Molyneux (Mary's son) 3
Thomas is a coal miner or labourer.
He died in 1880.
There are quite a lot of trees on Ancestry but I do not trust them all and would appreciate some clarification please.
OH has a hospital appointment shortly, but I will be back around 5ish hopefully.
Thanks. :-)
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This one??
Baptism: 27 May 1811 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Molineux - first Son of James Molineux & Mary (formerly Stopford)
Born: 30 Apr
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Thomas & Ann Stopford
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 373
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
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If above is correct then this looks like the parents marriage:
Marriage: 24 Sep 1809 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
James Molyneux - (X), This Parish
Mary Stopford - (X), The said Parish
Witness: Richard Wells; William Darbyshire
Married by Banns by: John Price, Curate
Register: Marriages 1792 - 1812, Page 199, Entry 595
Source: LDS Film 1526141
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other children for this couple:
Baptism: 17 Apr 1813 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Molinuex - 1 Daur. of James Molinuex & Mary
Born: 2 Mar
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Revnd. T. Pigot
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1816, Page 25, Entry 199
Source: LDS Film 1885676
Baptism: 9 Jul 1815 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Molineux - 2 Son of James Molineux & Mary
Born: 9 May
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Edwd. Hill
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1816, Page 234, Entry 1868
Source: LDS Film 1885676
Baptism: 19 May 1817 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Molineux - 2 Daur. of James Molineux & Mary
Born: 23 Feb
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Edwd. Hill Curate
Register: Baptisms 1816 - 1819, Page 108, Entry 859
Source: LDS Film 1885676
Baptism: 24 Jan 1819 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Molineux - 3 Daur. of James Molineux & Mary
Born: 25 Oct
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Edwd. Hill Curate
Register: Baptisms 1816 - 1819, Page 257, Entry 2055
Source: LDS Film 1885676
Baptism: 4 Jun 1821 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellinor Molineux - 5 Daur. of James Molineux & Mary
Born: 1 May
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Benjn. Powell
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1822, Page 195, Entry 1555
Source: LDS Film 1885676
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Thanks Tiggit.........some of the trees have James and Mary and some have Thomas and Mary (nee Roberts)
Baptism: 8 Mar 1812 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Molineux - second Son of Thomas Molineux & Mary (formerly Roberts)
Born: 4 Jan
Abode: Scholes (very close to Ince)
Occupation: Dyer
Mother's Parents: William & Ann Roberts
I am cross-eyed trying to work it out :-D
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Not really answeering your query, but...
Marriage: 6 Jun 1834 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Molineux - (X), of Wigan Parish
Mary Rudd - (X), of Wigan Parish
Witness: Samuel Hickox; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Marriages 1833 - 1835, Page 162, Entry 485
Source: LDS Film 1885692
Both witnesses can be regarded as "professional witnesses".
This marr rego has 900 entries and runs from 1/1/1833 to 3/8/1835.
Hickox appears 359 times and Vizard 809 times.
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/incecemetery.php?opt=incecemetery
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Religion
Molyneux Thomas 69 yrs Peticoat Lane, Ince 20-Dec 1880 Miner C 973 * C of E
Wigan cemtery opened in 1856 and was the first municipal cemetery - Ince opened the next year, just across the road.
They both record date of burial, not d.o.death. Thos is buried in a common grave, along with 20 other seemingly unrelated people.
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Modern pics
Petticoat Lane
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/streets/street.php?opt=streets&az=p&street=2743
Island Row, off Petticoat Lane, Higher Ince
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1335069
with a descripti of the former houses.
[If you check the inset map, there are 2 yellow roads running from this pic to NE.
Petticoat Lane is the left one, and Thos probably lived some way up this.
The blue grid lines are 1 km apart.
Abt 700m W of pic is St William's RC church - no spire nor tower, so just marked with a +
Abt 1km WSW of pic is Christ Church, Ince - it has a spire, so the + is on top of a blob.
At top of page, there's a navigating square - click on W and 1.5km W of pic is St Cattherine's, Scholes - Manchester Rd would run into it if it didn't jog S just before hitting it.
Alternatively, if I were to click on SE from pic, I'ld see St Peter's, Hindley at the cross roads, again with a spire. It used to be just across the road from the Bird ith' Hand, but I don't know if this pub still exists - it's 50y since my last visit.
Just to clarify, Hindley subdistrict included Ince. This remained true even after the 1930s, when Ince became an RD.]
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Thanks mgnv. I had spotted most of what you have posted and Wigan is fortunate to have such good online records for their cemeteries.
Yes the Bird is still there - as is St. Peter's. I will pm you. Cx
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